Integrability Proof: Showing h(x) = 0

In summary, we are trying to show the Riemann integrability of a function h(x) that is equal to 0 for all x in [a,b] except for on a set of measure zero. We have discussed the Lebesgue integrability criterion and the fact that a bounded function is Riemann integrable if and only if its points of discontinuity on [a,b] are a null set. We also have the hint that a subset of a set of measure zero also has measure 0. This can be applied to a partition of [a,b] to show that if h(x) is non-zero at a finite number of points, its integral will still exist and equal 0. However, if h(x
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Homework Statement

Let h(x) = 0 for all x in [a,b] except for on a set of measure zero. Show that if [itex] \int_a^b h(x) \, dx[/itex] exists it equals 0.

We are given the hint that a subset of a set of measure zero also has measure 0.

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We've discussed the Lebesgue integrability criterion: A bounded function f is Riemann integrable if and only if f the points of discontinuity on [a,b] are a null set.


The Attempt at a Solution


First, is there a case where this integral would not exist? It seems like if h is not 0 only on a null set then it would be bounded and thus integrable by the criterion.
Second, I understand intuitively that the integral is 0, but I am having trouble formalizing it. If h is equal to a non-zero [itex]k[/itex] only at one point then we could set the norm of the partition, [itex]||P|| < \epsilon/k[/itex] and we would have [itex]|\sigma - 0| < \epsilon[/itex]. This could be modified for a finite number of non-zero points, by letting [itex]k[/itex] be the max of the absolute values of the non-zero points. But what if there are countably infinite non-zero points?
I also haven't used the hint. Is this to be applied over partitions of [a,b]?
 
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First, are you trying to show this is Riemann integrable or Lebesgue integrable? We know it is Lebesgue integrable.

Second, if f is non-zero on a set of measure 0 that does not mean it is bounded. Let [a,b] = [0,1] and f(x) = 1/x where x = 1/n and f(x) = 0 otherwise. Quite unbounded.

However, your subset hint may be useful. What do you know about a set of measure 0 on [a,b]? Can it be uncountable? If countable could it be the limit of a sequence of finite sets?
 
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I am trying to show Riemann integrability. We haven't covered the Lebesgue integral, just the criterion.

Yes, I do see now that being non-zero only on a null set, does not imply boundedness. If the Riemann integral does exist, the function must be bounded though, correct?

Well, the null set must be countable or finite. I'm not sure what you mean by "the limit of a sequence of finite sets," though.
 
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First, there are some unbounded functions which are Riemann integrable. For example on [0,1] ##x^{-1/2}## is Riemann integrable. So unboundedness alone does not disqualify a function.

The second thing that is useful is that if ##\int_a^bg(x)dx## exists, and h(x) = g(x) except at one point where h(x) = k (k is any constant), then ##\int_a^bh(x)dx## exists and = ##\int_a^bg(x)dx##. The same is true if h(x) differs from g(x) just at a finite number of points. If this wasn't proved in your class, you probably have to prove it for this assignment (or at least point to a reference for it).

So if you pick a set of measure 0 which consists of a finite number of points, and h is bounded on that set, you should be able to easily prove your result.

Which brings us to the set which is not finite. Let's work on the interval [0,1], although what I say translates to any interval. Let S##_n## be the set {1,1/2,1/3,...1/n}. Now consider h(x) = 0 outside S##_n##, and has finite values on S##_n##, what can you conclude about ##\int_a^bh(x)dx## ?

Let S =## \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty}S_n## . That is what I meant by "the limit of a sequence of finite sets". Suppose h(1/n) = 1 for all 1/n in S, and 0 otherwise. This will not be Riemann integrable. The proof would arise out of the need for the sup of every sequence Riemann sums to converge to the same number as the inf if h is to be integrable.(1)

However, if h(1/n) = a##_n## where lim##_{n \rightarrow \infty}a_n = 0## then h is integrable, and your result will hold. You would need to prove both that h is integrable and that its integral is 0 (2).

All of this is doable, but loading (1) and (2) onto a student who is just starting the study integrals is a lot to ask. If you tackle it, the approach is in the part I put in bold.

This business of infinite sets of measure 0 gums up the use of the Riemann integral for functions which are discontinuous on such sets. The inadequacies of the Riemann integral set off a little competition in defining better integrals. The Lebesgue integral nicely avoided this kind of problem and has some other overwhelming advantages, so it was eventually adopted as a standard.
 
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Thanks for the explanation. I feel like in the text and in class we've barely scratched the surface of what is needed for a rigorous proof, but this helps. I'll see where I get.

The following question after this one is to show that if [itex]f(x) = g(x)[/itex] almost everywhere then their Riemann integrals are equal. I was hoping to use the result of this question to show that.
 
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You are doing quite well at your proofs.

For the next problem, you should assume the result of this problem even if you haven't proved it. You can be explicit that you yourself haven't proved it, if you haven't. But someone has, so you are okay.

Actually, I'm a little suspicious of that problem. It is possible for f = g almost everywhere, and for f to be Riemann integrable and g not. So you should specifically add the hypothesis that they are both integrable.
 
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brmath said:
First, there are some unbounded functions which are Riemann integrable. For example on [0,1] ##x^{-1/2}## is Riemann integrable. So unboundedness alone does not disqualify a function.

It is certainly not true that an unbounded function can be Riemann integrable. If it's unbounded above then over any finite partition at least one of the intervals the function has no maximum. So all of the upper sums are undefined. Which kind of negates the definition of Riemann integrable. Functions like x^(-1/2) only have an IMPROPER integral, defined as a limit of normal Riemann integrals. To Yagoda, I would say look over the ingredients of your discussion of the Lebesgue integrability criterion and see if there are parts you can use to attack this.
 
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Dick,

Why does one make a distinction between a proper Riemann integral and one that results from the convergence of a sequence of Riemann integrals and which is then called improper? I understand you can't get an upper sum, but it seems reasonable to me to call the function integrable if its integral can be defined as the limit of ordinary Riemann integrals.
 
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brmath said:
Dick,

Why does one make a distinction between a proper Riemann integral and one that results from the convergence of a sequence of Riemann integrals and which is then called improper? I understand you can't get an upper sum, but it seems reasonable to me to call the function integrable if its integral can be defined as the limit of ordinary Riemann integrals.

Because if h(x) is integrable in the proper Riemann sense then you can assume it's bounded. Actually, I'm not sure this is any use, but that's what I was thinking.
 
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Dick said:
Because if h(x) is integrable in the proper Riemann sense then you can assume it's bounded. Actually, I'm not sure this is any use, but that's what I was thinking.

I imagine a certain amount of this is probably just vocabulary -- i.e. Riemann integrable was defined as the sup and inf of the Riemann sums converging to the same number, which implies boundedness. And I suspect that the improper integral terminology is traditional or historic rather than essential. One can after all just say that a function is bounded.

I am sorry for not being aware of this distinction, and possibly misleading Yagoda, who no doubt has to please a professor, who may in turn be a stickler for terminology.

Thanks for your constructive comments.
 
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brmath said:
I imagine a certain amount of this is probably just vocabulary -- i.e. Riemann integrable was defined as the sup and inf of the Riemann sums converging to the same number, which implies boundedness. And I suspect that the improper integral terminology is traditional or historic rather than essential. One can after all just say that a function is bounded.

I am sorry for not being aware of this distinction, and possibly misleading Yagoda, who no doubt has to please a professor, who may in turn be a stickler for terminology.

Thanks for your constructive comments.

No problem, and you really don't have to apologize. As to the original problem, here's a hint for Yagoda. Doesn't h(x) being zero except on a set measure zero imply the step function for every upper sum has to be nonnegative? And the step function for every lower sum has to be nonpositive? Show that.
 

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