Integrating cos(u^2): A Calc One Challenge

In summary, the conversation was about integrating a function and using different techniques such as the fundamental theorem of calculus, chain rule, and integration by parts. The conversation also touched on the limitations of the fundamental theorem of calculus and the use of improper integrals. An example integral was given and different methods were discussed, including a trigonometric substitution and the use of an integral table. The conversation also mentioned the confusion between dummy variables and independent variables in integrals.
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[tex] \int cos(u^2)du [/tex]

Is it doable at a Calc One level? I tried by parts and got to

[tex] \int cos(u^2)du = ucos(u^2) + 2\int(u^2sin(u^2)du [/tex]

but I am having a brain fart as to hwo to advance, trying again by parts.
 
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[tex]y = \int_{3}^{5} cos(u^2)du [/tex]
 
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Use the fundamental theorem of calculus and the chain rule... you shouldn't have to integrate anything.
 
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But were integrating and deriving different variables.
Sorry I don't see what your trying to tell me.

I also kinda need this quick.. its for a friend and its due in 20 minutes
 
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[tex] \frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{dy}{du}\frac{du}{dx} [/tex]

[tex] \frac{d}{dx} \int cos(u^2) du = \left(\frac{d}{du} \int cos(u^2) du \right) \left(\frac{du}{dx}\right)[/tex]

Am I on the right track? The right hand simplifies I know
 
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Edit: Note I made a little mistake the first time I posted this, it's fixed now though.

ok... since you need this quickly

FTC says

[tex]f(x) = \frac{d}{dx} \int_a^x f(u) \ du[/tex]

so chain rule says

[tex]\frac{d}{dx} \int_a^{g(x)} f(u) \ du = f(g(x)) g^\prime(x)[/tex]

and from this you can also work out that

[tex]\frac{d}{dx} \int_{h(x)}^{g(x)} f(u) \ du = f(g(x))g^\prime(x) - f(h(x))h^\prime(x).[/tex]

Now just figure out what [itex]h, \ f,[/itex] and [itex]g[/itex] are in this case and you're done~
 
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Why have I never seen this before? FTC in stewart's book only deals with the derivative of an integral of the same variable.

That makes perfect sense. Thanks alot.
 
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Now you have me curious. How does your textbook state it? I've never seen it much differently.
 
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I don't have it on me, I'm not at home but I'll let you know.

The FTOC doesn't apply to discontinuous functions, right? If I was tryin to find

[tex] \int_{-3}^{3} \frac{1}{x^2} dx [/tex]

I would need to use improper integrals
 
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You would. One of the conditions is that the integrand must be continuous on the (closed) interval between the bounds of integration, so it also has to be bounded on that interval.

Take a look at the mathworld page for details (the second theorem can be generalized a little further than what mathworld states too, but that's not what you would try to use to evaluate that integral).
 
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Alot of editting there. :D

I don't get why this professor would give his student that problem when they haven't learned even integration by parts let alone improper integrals and such. He just gave them this one that I don't see how he cna solve without a really messy trig subs (which they also haven't learned).

[tex] \int_2^{20} \frac{\sqrt{200x-x^2}}{x}dx [/tex]

Even after messing with the square roots I can't get anywhere.
 
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Whozum, it looks to me you are confusing the dummy variable in the integral with the independent variable, or derivative with respect to.

For example

[tex] \int_{0}^{x} f(t) dt = F(x) [/tex]

x is the real variable, t it's just a dummy variable, it could be as well u.
 
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it's not a terrible integral. Simplify it to

[tex]\int \frac{\sqrt{200-x}}{\sqrt{x}} \ dx[/tex]

and then sub [itex]u = \sqrt{200-x}[/itex], and see where that gets you (it should get it to a standard integral).
 
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[tex] du = \frac{-1}{2\sqrt{200-x}} [/tex]

I don't have that in my integral, maple solved it with trig subs too. Messy answer.
 
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The question was, if the curve n'(t) = (the above integrand) represents the rate of change of profits, how much moeny was made between week 2 and week 20?
 
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I believe that Data suggested was for

[tex] u = \sqrt{200 - x} [/tex]

so

[tex] 200 - u^2 = x [/tex]

and

[tex]- 2udu = dx [/tex]

so

[tex] \int \frac{-2u^2 du}{\sqrt{200-u^2}} [/tex]

which is more approachable
 
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Using that sub I can get it to

[tex]\int \frac{-2u^2}{\sqrt{200-u^2}} \ du[/tex]

which I consider to be a standard integral, though I guess if you haven't seen it enough times in the past it might not seem that way :wink:. You can finish it by integration by parts if you need to (though it is a little strange that they wouldn't teach either int. by parts or trig substitution before giving this integral).
 
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if you're using

[tex]\int x \ dy = xy - \int y \ dx[/tex]

then let [itex]x = -2u, dy = u\ du/\sqrt{200-u^2}[/itex]. You'll also have to make a trigonometric substitution to evaluate one of the resulting integrals.
 
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whozum said:
... maple solved it with trig subs too. Messy answer.

Is it really?

[tex]\int \frac{\sqrt{200-x}}{\sqrt{x}} \ dx = \int \sqrt{\frac{200}{x}-1} \ dx[/tex]

Let

[tex]x=200cos^{2}(\theta)[/tex]

Then

[tex]\int \sqrt{\frac{200}{x}-1} \ dx = \int -400cos(\theta)sin(\theta)\sqrt{sec^{2}(\theta)-1} \ d\theta = \int -400cos(\theta)sin(\theta)tan(\theta) \ d\theta[/tex]

[tex]= \int -400sin^{2}(\theta) \ d\theta = \int 200cos(2\theta) - 200 \ d\theta = 100sin(2\theta) -200\theta + K[/tex]

and just reevaluate your original limits for the definite inegral.
 
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Data said:
if you're using

[tex]\int x \ dy = xy - \int y \ dx[/tex]

then let [itex]x = -2u, dy = u\ du/\sqrt{200-u^2}[/itex]. You'll also have to make a trigonometric substitution to evaluate one of the resulting integrals.

Thats what I'm saying, it makes no sense to me if theyre being tested on the FTOC to have to solve integrals such as this one, it also emphasizes the resulting answer to be exact. I haven't integrated funky functions much, more standard form ones just to get the jist of what integrating is, but I am sure there's an integral table iwth that form on there. If I don't know it, I'm sure someone who was introduced to integrals a few weeks ago wouldn't either.

Hippo,

I understand, but as you can see above, its expected to be solved by someone who doesn't know integration by parts or trig substitutions.

Maple's answer involved 2 arcsin's and three square roots I believe.
 
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Cyclovenom said:
Whozum, it looks to me you are confusing the dummy variable in the integral with the independent variable, or derivative with respect to.

For example

[tex] \int_{0}^{x} f(t) dt = F(x) [/tex]

x is the real variable, t it's just a dummy variable, it could be as well u.

Yeah I'm trying to figure this out in my head, but for some reason it still seems a bit sketchy, I know what you mean though.
 
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Well, the first part of the FTC is precisely what let's you say (for a sufficiently well-behaved function [itex]f[/itex]) that

[tex]\int_a^b f(x) \ dx = F(b) - F(a)[/tex]

where [itex]F^\prime(x) = f(x)[/itex], is true at all.
 
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Is that analogous to

[tex] \int_a^b f'(x) dx = f(b)-f(a) [/tex]

Because that's all I remember. I just looked at Stewart's book and it is mentioned both ways, I must have just overlooked that one.
 
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it's exactly the same thing (note my little [itex]F \ ^\prime (x) = f(x)[/itex] at the end :smile:).
 

1. What is the purpose of Integrating cos(u^2)?

The purpose of integrating cos(u^2) is to find the antiderivative or indefinite integral of the function cos(u^2). This allows us to determine the original function from its derivative and also helps us solve various problems in calculus.

2. What is the process for integrating cos(u^2)?

The process for integrating cos(u^2) involves using the substitution method, where we let u = sin(x) and du = cos(x) dx. This allows us to convert the integral into a simpler form, which can then be solved using basic integration rules.

3. Is there a specific formula for integrating cos(u^2)?

There is no specific formula for integrating cos(u^2), but we can use the substitution method or trigonometric identities such as cos^2(x) = (1+cos(2x))/2 to simplify the integral before solving it.

4. Can integrating cos(u^2) be done without using trigonometric functions?

No, integrating cos(u^2) cannot be done without using trigonometric functions. The function cos(u^2) is a trigonometric function, and the substitution method or trigonometric identities are necessary for solving the integral.

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Integrating cos(u^2) has various real-life applications, such as in physics and engineering, where it can be used to find the displacement, velocity, and acceleration of an object. It is also used in economics to determine the marginal cost and marginal revenue of a product.

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