# Integration problem

1. Oct 24, 2007

### tunabeast

1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data

Determine $$\int$$4dy/(1+9y$$^{2}$$) With limits of 2,0.

2. Relevant equations

3. The attempt at a solution

Have attempted ingtegration by substitution but have had no luck solving this problem. A maths tutor who went over it very quickly established there was a tan in the answer, i have not integrated anything like this before so don't really know where to start.
1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data

2. Relevant equations

3. The attempt at a solution

2. Oct 24, 2007

### SiddharthM

do you know what the derivative of arctan is?

3. Oct 24, 2007

### rocomath

maybe this looks a little more familiar

$$\int_{0}^{2}\frac{4dy}{1+(3y)^{2}}$$

Last edited: Oct 24, 2007
4. Oct 24, 2007

### tunabeast

I have just looked up the definition, can't quite see how it will fit

5. Oct 24, 2007

### rocomath

$$4\int_{0}^{2}\frac{dy}{1+(3y)^{2}}$$

$$\mbox{Let u=3y}$$

does it look a little more familiar now?

6. Oct 24, 2007

### tunabeast

I ended up with

4arctan(6)

Am i close?

7. Oct 24, 2007

### rocomath

no, example

$$\frac{d}{dy}\tan^{-1}(3y^{2})=\frac{6ydy}{1+(3y^{2})^{2}}$$

8. Oct 24, 2007

### tunabeast

Hmm i can't seem to get it, when i integrate i get

$$\frac{1}{12}tan^{-1}(12)$$

9. Oct 24, 2007

### tunabeast

Ignore that last post, is

$$\frac{4}{3}tan^{-1}(6)$$ correct?

10. Oct 24, 2007

### rocomath

do you notice the pattern with my problem?

the angle is $$3y^{2}$$

where did my angle and derivative end up when i differentiated?

11. Oct 24, 2007

### rocomath

you're constants are correct but you're angle is wrong. if i took the derivative of your problem it would end up being 0 b/c you're basically saying it's a constant.

$$\frac{4}{3}\frac{0}{1+36}$$

12. Oct 24, 2007

### tunabeast

The 6 is just the value of the limits substituted in to get a final answer, or is not that what the substituted value would be?

13. Oct 24, 2007

### rocomath

yes that is correct, i did not realize you were already plugging your limits in and evaluating. sorry, miscommunication.

14. Oct 24, 2007

### tunabeast

no problem, thank you very much for your assistance :)