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Interested in Mythology besides me

  1. Sep 1, 2003 #1
    Well, before I start getting into this topic, is there anyone in here interested in Mythology besides me?
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  3. Sep 2, 2003 #2

    Ivan Seeking

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    Re: Mythology

    Hey Shadow,
    Please proceed!

    Myth, legend, mysticism and pseudoscience can all find common ground. I feel that this is an appropriate element of the forum that has lacked respresentation. If you look at the new Myth and Mystic's Napster above, you will find that I have just added some links to myths and legends. Feel free to post to the Napster as well as here.

  4. Sep 2, 2003 #3
    OKay, thanks Ivan. Well, first off, does anyone here know of the Titans, and Norse? I know a little on Thor and I know about how the titans were banished from Zeus but I dont know much more than that. I know quite a bit about the egyptian and greek mythology though. Such as some on the main gods and minor ones some old mythological stories...anyone else?
  5. Sep 2, 2003 #4
    Greek Mythology (and Norse Mythology) was a hobby of mine for awhile when I was in high school. I might know something if you want to ask a question.
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    Hmm... If I remember right, according to greek mythology, the titans were first, and the biggest of the titans, Chronos, had children and ate them to preserve his power. Zeus didn't get eaten, cut open his father's belly to liberate all his brother god and had a big war which they won.
  7. Sep 4, 2003 #6


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    Is this thread open to Christian mythology as well?

    I always got a kick out Greek mythology myself coming up. Next to dinosaurs and nintendo it was probably one of my favorite subjects.

    Of course, I've forgotten most of it now. All the stories of Hercules are blurred with TV series.

    How about the way astrology has survived from the mythology days to the modern era? Today, astrology is probably one of the most strongest running beliefs across all belief systems. Even christians and the sort read horoscopes often.

    Another cool peice of mythology is the Necronomicon. Its a pretty scary book, interesting read though.
  8. Sep 8, 2003 #7
    hmmm true but please dont drag this into some religous thing.

    Yes FZ, the titans were banished to the underworld (i believe) bye zeus and his fellow gods. I know some of the stories of greek mythology and although I would like to learnd more about htem, I'm also interested in the Egyptians and Norsemen, I know sunfist said he knew about the Norse so, sunfist, if you see this can you or someone else tell me a little that you know about the norsemen? I know thor and odin were the big ones and thor was the son of odin...that's about it.Thanks Ivan for the Mythology napster! I've used some links but I really have to find time to look at them more...between school and everything.
  9. Sep 8, 2003 #8
    What are you refering to here? I've seen a book entitled the Necronomicron on the net accredited to Crowley, but it doesn't appear in any bibliography of Crowley that I've seen.. The funny thing about this book is that no records of it have been found pre-Lovecraft.
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    Hmm, I did not know this. But then again the story goes the original book was bound in human flesh and separated to 4 corners of the world.

    I'm pretty sure it has something to do with ancient summarian, but I'm not really sure its been so long.

    Wasn't Lovecraft one of the people who uncovered the ancient texts and translated it? Again, I may be mistaken.

    Not really my intention, but more so to show how strong an influence mythology still has on our modern culture.
  11. Sep 9, 2003 #10
    I can't say for sure whether or not it was a creation of Lovecraft's, or a long-forgotten text. The myth behind the Necronomicron that I heard goes something like it was created in the eighth century A.D. in Damascus by the "Mad Arab" Abdhul Alhazred. It was later translated by John Dee, the adviser of all things occult to Elizabeth I. The book is essentially supposed to contain formulae for summoning beings from the human psyche and 'other worlds', and runs to around 800 pages. There are no doubt many variations on this.

    Indeed, the necronomicron is supposed to contain references to Sumerian myth, which appears to be the root of a whole lot of mythology. Greek and Roman mythology in particular borrows heavily from Sumer.
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    All of that history, the "mad arab" and all was fiction in Lovecraft's stories, many of which formed a linked series called "The Cthlhu Mythos". The actual book, the Necronomicon, wasn't written till many years after Lovecraft died, to exploit the continuing fan interest in the mythos.

    Other authors contributed to the mythos, I believe L. Sprague de Camp, Fritz Leiber, and I think even the keeper of the flame, August Derleth, did.
  13. Sep 10, 2003 #12
    Uh...anyone about the Norse?
  14. Sep 11, 2003 #13
    I'll give a basic account:

    There are two branches of gods, the Aesir and the Vanir. The Aesir are the younger gods and the Vanir are the elder. At one point in time, there was a war between the two which ended in peace, and left the Aesir dominant. Both sides were glad of the peace, as they had grew tired of the fighting.

    The leader of the Aesir is Odin. Other members included Balder, the bleeding god, Bragi, the god of eloquence and Forseti, the settler of quarrels. Freyr, the god of fertility was once a Vanir, but ended up as an Aesir.

    The home of the Aesir was Asgard, where the wolf Fenris had been tricked into being chained. Almost all the Aesir were to be killed at the Ragnorak, the final battle between the gods and the frost giants.

    I invite anyone to continue as I have to go now. If not, I'll carry on later.
  15. Sep 11, 2003 #14
    wow. very interesting! please continue
  16. Sep 11, 2003 #15
    I'm sorry I didn't notice this thread earlier.

    To whomever said it: Yes! The Necronomicon was only an invention of Lovecraft and not an actual book. It had NOTHING to do with Aleister Crowley. It was something that Lovecraft created as a way of linking some of his stories about the Ancients.

    I'm a little bit of a Lovecraft fan, you must understand.
  17. Sep 11, 2003 #16

    aliester crowley used to be my patron saint.

    used to be.

    he had this concept called the true will. he says that when in alignment with your true will, the entire universe assits you; otherwise, the entire universe opposes you.

    this is roughly along the same lines as malai5's concept of the true self having similar properties. another term for true will and true self is SOUL.

    what do you think?

    i've read a book claiming to be the necronomicon. it really wasn't the same necronomicon (book of the dead) that lovecraft so romantically spoke about as a means to summon kthulu. in the necronomicon i read there were instructions for opening the gates of the abyss from which the ancient summerian gods could come forward and do something like rule this world once more. there were chapters that had the following warning: this chapter is only for the *initiated* (never were there instructions on how to go through initiation) and that all those uninitiated who read this will be forever cursed. without ever undergoing initiation, i plunged forward despite the warnings of curses and all i remember is a spell designed to kill someone once uttered. it was in a contrived langugae like klingon that was supposed to be ancient summerian. there were tales of the mad hermit (the "mad arab") who first summoned the demons from the abyss subsequently leading to his madness.

    i'm also a big fan of norse mythology, probably because i'm half norse myself. nordic, at least. but my contact with my ancient culture is totally lost and all i know is that most of the days of the week are named after norse gods. not something i've pondered for at least six years. i'm a big fan of the giant horse woden rode; it reminds me of shadowfax, gandalf's horse (i hope i have that right).

    my horse, or vehicle if you please, is the internet.

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  18. Sep 12, 2003 #17
    Ok, I'll add some more. I'll focus on the Vanir.

    The Vanir were gods of fertility. Their place of residence was Vanaheim, which was far from the aesirian Asgard, who were mainly gods of war. As mentioned previously, there was a battle between the two sets of deities which took place not long after creation. The Aesir won, and the two sets exchanged gods as a peace offering. Joining the Vanir from the Aesir was Honir, whose prominent charecteristic feature was long-leggedness, and terrible indecisiveness. Mimir was another such trade from Aesir to Vanir, and he was the wisest of the gods.

    For a time, the Vanir were satisfied with their exchanges. After a while, Honir's indecisiveness lead them to question whether they got the short straw of the bargain. His reliance on the wise Mimir became more and more apparent. The Vanir then decapitated Mimir in an act of vengenance, and sent the head back to Odin.

    Upon recieving Mimir's head, Odin covered it with herbs so that it would never rot. He then put a charm on the head to restore Mimir's capacity to speak. Odin then placed the head to guard a well under the tree Yggdrasil. Odin gained the wisdom of Mimir by drinking from the well. However, this was not without price, and Odin had to give one of his eye to drink from the well.

    One thing worth mentioning about the norse gods is that they have fumfty different spellings for each. For example, phoenixthoth mentioned a god named Woden, who is precisely the same god as Odin.
  19. Sep 12, 2003 #18
    perhaps the multiple spellings stem from subcultures relatively separated from each other.

    on a grander scale, kinda like God versus Allah yersus Adonai.

  20. Sep 12, 2003 #19
    I think you hit the nail on the head with the subcultures. The west of Scandanavia was slightly but notably different in culture to the east. An example being the east of Scandinavia prefered Odin to Thor, while the Norwegians and Icelandic people prefered Thor to Odin. They all had pretty much the same gods, but their roles were changed slightly.
  21. Sep 12, 2003 #20
    speaking of gods of war and such, there are two things.

    one is a sumerian inspired song by NILE (a death metal band in america) called "masturbating the war god." what a vile thought that is, huh? cool song though. very intense.

    the other is that is seems bin laden has turned allah into a god of war in the hearts of some men "over there." i see history repeating itself continuously.

    how about worshipping a god of peace for a change?

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