Solve Intrinsic Equations: y=atan^3ψ | Step-by-Step Guide

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In summary, the conversation is about a question involving differential equations where the goal is to show that y=atan^3psi. The conversation includes attempts at solving the question and discussing potential methods, but ultimately the solution is not found.
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Hello, I was doing some past papers and I couldn't solve one.
I don't even know where to begin with this question.
[tex]s=asec^{3}\psi - a[/tex]
Show that
[tex]y=atan^{3}\psi[/tex]

If you can tell me where to start from or how to solve the question that would be great.
Thanks
 
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I think the [ TEX ] should be lower case [ tex ]

[tex]s=asec^{3}\psi - a[/tex]
Show that
[tex]y=atan^{3}\psi[/tex]
 
  • #3
try using,

[tex]\frac{dy}{d\psi}= \frac{dy}{ds}\cdot \frac{ds}{d\psi}[/tex]
 
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Fermat said:
try using,
[tex]\frac{dy}{d\psi}= \frac{dy}{ds}\cdot \frac{ds}{d\psi}[/tex]
Is there no way of getting to the second one, just using the first one, the second part of the question asks for an expression for x :cry:
 
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Focus said:
Is there no way of getting to the second one, just using the first one, the second part of the question asks for an expression for x :cry:
I haven't found it yet. I've only been able to show that differential coeficients are the same. But integration, to give you the original expression, y = a.tan³psi, involves a constant of integration. I've not been able to get rid of that. I was hoping you might manage it yourself !
 
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Focus said:
Is there no way of getting to the second one, just using the first one, the second part of the question asks for an expression for x :cry:
I suppose that, in effect, that was what I was doing.

[tex]\frac{dy}{d\psi}= \frac{dy}{ds}\cdot \frac{ds}{d\psi}[/tex]

[tex]\mbox{We know that\ }\frac{dy}{ds} = sin\psi[/tex]

So,

[tex] y = \int sin\psi\cdot \frac{ds}{d\psi}\ d\psi[/tex]

You should be able to do similar to find an expression for x.
 
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Fermat said:
I suppose that, in effect, that was what I was doing.
[tex]\frac{dy}{d\psi}= \frac{dy}{ds}\cdot \frac{ds}{d\psi}[/tex]
[tex]\mbox{We know that\ }\frac{dy}{ds} = sin\psi[/tex]
So,
[tex] y = \int sin\psi\cdot \frac{ds}{d\psi}\ d\psi[/tex]
You should be able to do similar to find an expression for x.
Ah ok thanks a lot, I can do the x myself, I just didn't know how to start :rolleyes:
 
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Let me know how you get rid of the constant of integration. Ta.
 
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Oh I forgot to write this bit...
[tex] When y=0 x=0 \psi=0[/tex]
But I still can't solve it...:cry:
 
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You can insert spaces when using latex with backslash-space "\ "

[tex] When\ y=0\ x=0\ \psi=0[/tex]
 
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Focus said:
Oh I forgot to write this bit...
[tex] When y=0 x=0 \psi=0[/tex]
But I still can't solve it...:cry:
When you say you can't solve it, do you mean you can't do the integral for the x-function ?

[tex] x = \int cos\psi\cdot \frac{ds}{d\psi}\ d\psi[/tex]

If it's that one, do you have any working to show ?
 
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[tex] y= \int 3sin^{2}\psi sec^{4}\psi d\psi[/tex]
[tex]u=sec \psi[/tex]
[tex]du/(tan\psi sec\psi) = d\psi)[/tex]
some canceling and stuff
[tex] y= \int 3sin\psi u^{2} du[/tex]
I can't get rid of the sin psi

I think its to do with y=0 x=0 and psi=0 :confused:
 
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It doesn't have anything to do wiht the initial values: y=0 x=0 and psi=0

You already know what the answer is. Just differentiate that and see how that can be manipulated to give you the expression you have to integrate.

Then work backwards.
 

1. What is an intrinsic equation?

An intrinsic equation is an equation that describes a relationship between variables that are inherent to a system or object, rather than being dependent on external factors. In other words, the variables are defined by the characteristics of the system itself.

2. What is the meaning of y=atan^3ψ?

The equation y=atan^3ψ represents a relationship between the variables y and ψ, where ψ is raised to the power of 3 and then multiplied by the inverse tangent function (atan). This equation is an example of an intrinsic equation, as the variables are defined by the characteristics of the system in which they are being used.

3. How do you solve an intrinsic equation?

Solving an intrinsic equation involves rearranging the equation to isolate the variable of interest. In the case of y=atan^3ψ, you would first divide both sides of the equation by the inverse tangent function (atan) to isolate the cube of ψ. Then, take the cube root of both sides to solve for ψ.

4. What is the significance of solving intrinsic equations?

Solving intrinsic equations allows us to understand the relationships between variables that are inherent to a system or object. This can help us make predictions and better understand the behavior of the system or object.

5. Can you provide a step-by-step guide for solving y=atan^3ψ?

Yes, here is a step-by-step guide for solving y=atan^3ψ:

1. Divide both sides of the equation by atan to isolate the cube of ψ.

2. Take the cube root of both sides to solve for ψ.

3. Simplify the cube root on the right side of the equation if possible.

4. Substitute the value of ψ into the original equation to solve for y.

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