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Homework Help: Invariant Lagrangian

  1. Jan 27, 2009 #1
    1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
    http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/5923/14254560bc0.th.jpg [Broken]

    the question is in the image exactly as i wrote it down in class. but it's basically asking what systems have potential and kinetic energies that form a Lagrangian which is invariant to some transformation X:R^2-->R^2.

    2. Relevant equations

    The Lagrangian is the only equation I can think of that would be relevant to this. the equation from class is in the image above.

    3. The attempt at a solution
    in my attempts to find an answer to this I have read a bit of Classical Mechanics by Taylor and have many other books near by that I can refer to. but I am not sure what I am looking for in the index and have yet to find a reasonable answer.
    I am also guessing it is somehow related to Neother's Theorem since her theorem tells you that there is a conserved quantity when the Lagrangian is invariant to changes in the coordinates of the system. but as i said I can't put my finger on it.


    recommended readings will be appreciated. this is not HW it's a challenge question by the prof. and I am just looking for an answer since the question is intriguing.
     
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  3. Jan 27, 2009 #2

    AEM

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    You are right that your problem is related to Noether's theorem. But of more use to you than my suspicions, will be section 3.2 of Classical Dynamics, A Contemporary Approach by Jorge Jose and Eugene Saletan. Hopefully you can locate a copy because page 120 deals explicity with how a Lagrangian transforms. By the way, if you're a physics major and if you can afford that book, it's very good.
     
  4. Jan 29, 2009 #3
    on the way to the library to find that book... anyone else have suggestions or leads that l can fallow?
    thanks
     
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