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IQ tests.

  1. Mar 17, 2003 #1
    The subject of IQ tests have been discussed over and over in PF 2.0 (but in different topics, and in the middle of topics).
    It seems that the PF members don't all agree on wether the IQ test is really a good pointer to the person's intelligence.
    -Some of the users on PF said that IQ tests are only how good you are at taken IQ tests.
    -Other said that IQ tests actually give a little pointer to the person's intelligence, but it is not really a good pointer (Since it is not always right).
    -Others said that IQ tests are a very conventinal way to calculate intelligence.

    So what do you think ?

    Personally i think that the IQ can measure some of the person's intelligence if taken under the right conditions (but it will still not be very accurate, and most people do not take it under the right conditions).
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  3. Mar 17, 2003 #2
    IQ tests are a double-edged sword.

    If you find out from the test that you've got a crappy IQ, then you would find yourself in a morale chute.

    But if you find out that you've got an IQ that would make Einstein go green in the gills, then you would have your morale boosted tremendously.

    So, my take is, forget about IQ tests and do whatcha gotta do.
  4. Mar 17, 2003 #3
    Anyone doing well on IQ tests has a good level of reasoning ability. This says nothing about memory or anything else, although there is positive correlation between high IQ and other 'brain things' such as memory.
  5. Mar 17, 2003 #4
    Right Plus.
    But you can't also say that a person with low IQ means he is bad at reasoning skills, it is very likely that this person only freaks out of IQ tests !
  6. Mar 17, 2003 #5


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    IQ tests only measure the amount of intelligence that the author of the test considers worthy of intelligence...which automatically discounts the credibility of the test...

    talents such as a musical gift or artistic/creative streak are not traditionally considered as an indicator of intelligence, yet i think these (and others) should be ranked as a measure of smarts...
  7. Mar 17, 2003 #6
    Well, I love I.Q. tests. I don't really know how accurate they are at rating my reasoning ability, but I just enjoy taking the tests.
  8. Mar 17, 2003 #7
    I enjoy the way they stretch my brain, but I don't put faith in the results.
  9. Mar 17, 2003 #8
    what IQ test measure is a very limited idea of intelligence. i wouldn't say they have 0 merit. but i view them as glorified SAT tests.

    considering cognitive scientist have yet to even completly agree on what intelligence is, if find it hard to beleive that this test that is flawed in many ways could be an accurate measure. sure it's the best thing we have, but it still isn't that great.
  10. Mar 17, 2003 #9
    IQ tests don't measure much. I mean, it for people who have a hard time taking tests(the pressure!! ). For people who are more intellectual, it can't quite be measured with an IQ test. I think its unfair. Maybe an IQ test should be more customized?
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    I wonder if the opinion of IQ tests is correlated with the results of the poster's tests? Or negatively correlated, I should have said.
  12. Mar 17, 2003 #11
    Also IQ tests can be very culturally restrictive.

    For example I know someone who moved from the US and took an IQ test here in Aus, and one question used hectares as a unit of area, without stating what a hectare was how the hell was she to work out the answer?

    I'm sure there are many more examples.
  13. Mar 18, 2003 #12
    This is interesting to me because as a child I took an IQ test given by a child psychologist - they thought I had a learning disability and just wanted to see what was going on. Apparently it was not a bad score and I got transferred to gifted classes. I was never told as a child what the score was and for that reason it had very little impact on my confidence. In this case it was beneficial because of the accelerated classes I was placed in. IQ tests are about the only way to place people in classes that go at the right tempo and with their peers.This is probably the ideal situation for most people if they are going to be administered an IQ test (although I did eventually find out what the score was when I was about 21.)

    I tend to think that IQ tests given to adults are less valid. By then you've learned how to manipulate the answers, or at least what the answers should be. As a child, though, I only remember puzzles. I had no idea what the test was about and don't think I suffered any ill effects because of it (i.e. stress, feeling nervous.)

    I also think comparing them to the SAT's is kind of silly - they're not standardized tests. Although Kerrie is right about them not measuring 'creativity' so to speak, as with music and art, I would venture to say that from what I know, even the greatest artists, musicians and poets are talented in other areas, specifically in patterns, memory, and visualization.
  14. Mar 18, 2003 #13

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    I wonder if everyone would be interested in doing one common online IQ test?

    I have done different online IQ tests over the years, and some are really dodgy, some seem OK, and some are slightly better than OK, but none have really inspired me with confidence that they are actually measuring anything real.

    The best IQ test I have probably done was one which was on TV Australia wide last year. It was a quality one, but still, I don't think any IQ test which is done outside the confines of an actual IQ testing facility can be trusted too much.

    But, if we all agree to use the one IQ test, then maybe it would at least give us some basis for comparison?

    I did one at emode.com recently. It seemed reasonable. Anyone else interested? Anyone else know any good online IQ tests?
  15. Mar 18, 2003 #14
    Congrats then. I've seen on the newspapers about some dude and his brother going for IQ tests. His bro got a much higher IQ score then he did. So his confidence was shot to shreds and his parents also mildly discriminated against him if i remember correctly.

    Fer me, i wouldn't. After all i'm a male, and i hit puberty, so i'm saturated with testerones.
  16. Mar 18, 2003 #15
    I agree.
    The language can also be a reason for the person to get an IQ that is not really his IQ.
    For example, a person can have learned a language only newly and taking an IQ test in it, he may not understand the questions, therefore get a low result.
    Or the person may be very intellectual, but bad at language (it happens that you find people that are extremly gifted in mathematics (for example) but very bad at languages), this person will not understand the questions too.

    I have taken many tests from this site, and it seems that lot of IQ tests writers tend to steal the questions from other IQ tests.
    It also seems that some IQ tests writer are unable to actually make a good measuring of the score according to the questions being asked.
    So i guess the online versions of IQ tests are not really good, not promising at all.
  17. Mar 18, 2003 #16
    i scored pretty well on it and i still don't have a very high opinion of the test. well not the test so much as the intepretations of the results of the test.

    there are plenty of factors that could influence your score other than intelligence, such as culture. and there are plenty of things that could be thought of intelligence that are not tested, such as creativity.
  18. Mar 18, 2003 #17
    If you have a high IQ, then you are smart. If you don't have a high IQ, and don't have a really low IQ, then an IQ test is useless in determining if you are smart or not - you very well maybe. Ex: Richard Feynman had an IQ of 125.
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    I once had a friend in grad school, who was going for a Ph.D. in math - and got it. He has since had a successful career as a mathematics professor. But before that, he already had a masters degree and had been working as a mathematician in something super secret in Washington D.C. As part of the job he had to take an IQ test, so he went around to the place they gave them and took it. And he scored 87. The person in charged was very embarrassed - seeing what my friend was actually employed as - and offered to let him take it again. So he did, and scored an 83! He used to tell this story on himself as a joke.

    So it's clear to me that individual tests and individual people can be outliers in the distribution. But in spite of that, IQ itself, or rather g, which lies behind it, is simply a fact of life. And it is correlated with success in business or just about anything else.
  20. Mar 19, 2003 #19
    This isn't true. There are other ways to identify gifted children, and they are much less restrictive than an IQ test. However an IQ test can be useful if used correctly.

    I am currently doing a Diploma of Education course on Gifted and Talented Students, (although I am not doing a dipEd). It is only week three of the course, by the end of the university session I will be able to talk about this with more knowledge than at present.
  21. Mar 19, 2003 #20

    Can you give an example? I said it was "about the only way" which means, more or less, it's the only way I know of - I've never seen any other tests to determine what children belong in gifted programs.
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