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IRA ends armed campaign

  1. Jul 28, 2005 #1

    brewnog

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    The IRA today formally ordered an end to its armed campaign. From now on, it will pursue peaceful action only.

    Is it for real this time?
     
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  3. Jul 28, 2005 #2
    An end to the IRA, maybe, but I believe there will be members of the IRA who will perpetuate the killing under new banners.
     
  4. Jul 28, 2005 #3

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    Yes like they've been doing since announcing their ceasefire some years back. Oops, but they haven't. :rolleyes: Darn another good theory ruined by boring fact. :rofl: :rofl:
     
  5. Jul 28, 2005 #4
    well the new IRA isnt active in terrorist activities but dont forget about the belfast PUB murder! Actually this seems to have been the turning point, that we are now seeing that Sein Fein are washing there hands of the New IRA

    http://www.google.be/search?hs=1RZ&...S:official&q=IRA+pub+murder&btnG=Search&meta=
     
  6. Jul 28, 2005 #5
    Just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it won't - If Al Qaeda and Hezbollah called a cease fire do you think there would be no more terrorism in the middle east? I would guess that certain members would break off and start their own terrorist organizations. Thats what I'm predicting with the IRA although obviously I'm hoping for the opposite.

    (I don't know what you mean when you say another good theory was ruined - the fact you gave doesn't pertain to the current situation and when was the last time you ruined a good theory of mine whether by fact or otherwise?)
     
  7. Jul 28, 2005 #6

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    They lost the edge, maybe. No suicide bombers and so. Doesn't impress people much anymore these days.
     
  8. Jul 28, 2005 #7

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    The IRA never used suicide bombers.
     
  9. Jul 28, 2005 #8
    The 'IRA' is actually sein fien.. The REAL/Provisional IRA are the terrorists of last quarter of 20th century... The Provisional-IRA were actually a breakaway faction of the 'old' IRA...

    Anyway they wont dispand, just will just go underground, they make a LOT of money traffic drugs, arms, and fake money... Anyone ever hear about the North Korea supper Dollars, that the Provisional IRA were introducing into the world ecconomy?

    edit: bit late.. got my factions mixed up :cool:
     
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  10. Jul 28, 2005 #9

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    The Belfast pub murder was not an IRA hit. There was a fight in a rather rough pub following an ongoing argument between the victim (Robert McCartney) and his friend and a group of other men (who happened to be members of the IRA) over a beating McCartney had given a teenager whilst working as a 'doorman' at another pub. On the night, the row escalated over comments made to McCartneys 'girlfriend' who was with him at the time. (His fiancee and their two kids were at home.) A drink fuelled fight broke out which spilled into the street and finished with McCartney being stabbed.
    The gov't seeing a golden opportunity for propaganda elevated McCartney to sainthood and called it an example of IRA brutality whereas in reality the killers' membership of the IRA was purely incidental. This was not a 'hit' carried out under the auspices of republicanism, it was an ugly brawl between violent men that ended in death for McCartney.
    To put it in context in the ROI several members of the ruling party, Fine Fail have been found guilty in the past few years of criminal offences ranging from drunk driving to serious fraud. Nobody suggests that the Fine Fail party orchestrated their individual criminal acts or that the Fine Fail party was resonsible for them yet for political expediency that is precisely what they did with the killers of McCartney.
    So in summary statistically it is highly likely that previous members of the IRA will commit crimes in the future. Does that mean that the IRA commanders have gone back on their word? IMO no more so than holding any other political party responsible for the unsanctioned criminal acts of it's members.
     
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  11. Jul 28, 2005 #10
    I know ART, I am not contesting you

    I was just highlighting they are still gangsters, and they always will be.. I was born in Glasgow Scotland, and have seen the UDF and IRA, espcially at the Old Firm Football matches. An aquentance of mine was killed by a UDF follower for wareing a Celtic football strip...

    Secteranism is so bred into the culture of Scotland and Ireland that it will never die... But I dont think we will ever see the Bomb attacks of old from the provos
     
  12. Jul 28, 2005 #11

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    I agree. I find N. Ireland a very uncomfortable place to visit whichever group's areas I happen to pass through. There is something very intimidating about passing through towns and villages where they all have either union jacks or tri-colour flags painted on the approaches to signify their allegience and the barrels of machine guns tracking your progress from security forces guard posts.

    It reminds me of the joke about the man stopped by hooded armed men in Belfast and asked if he was a catholic or a protestant. "I'm a jew" he said. After a moments pause the armed men asked him "Would that be a catholic jew or a protestant jew?" :biggrin:
    Unfortunately in N. Ireland it is all too real.
     
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  13. Jul 28, 2005 #12
    hehe...

    funny, but very true
     
  14. Jul 28, 2005 #13

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    :confused: I wasn't referring to you MaxS I was referring to the first sentence of my own comment in a self deprecating joke.
     
  15. Jul 28, 2005 #14

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    Very encouraging news indeed! I wish them success!

    Violence is not the way to settle grievances.
     
  16. Jul 28, 2005 #15
    Yeah!!!

    Say that again and I'll punch your lights out!!!
    :tongue:
     
  17. Jul 28, 2005 #16
    hey there you Brits --

    I never followed the IRA stuff (Sorry about that. I was young and a typical American teenager blah blah blah.). But I have been following public opinion in the US, and the UK, for the Al Quaeda stuff. Americans want to ram stuff down Al Qaeda's throat, Uk'ers not so much.

    My question for the Brits and others knowledgeable about the IRA history is: What do you attribute the reduction in IRA hostilities, too? I recall there were frequent bombings, and that they subsided. Was it bcause you "took the fight to the terrorists" or something else or a combination?

    Thanks,
    Patty
     
  18. Jul 29, 2005 #17

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    Yeah, that's what I mean. If you want to make a name as a terrorist organisation today, you need suicide bombers, otherwise you're not taken seriously anymore. It's a way to show that you care about what you're doing :-)
     
  19. Jul 29, 2005 #18
    LOL I'm such an idiot.
     
  20. Jul 29, 2005 #19
    its called diplomacy: Americans arent really used to this stratigy so Ill explain it (j/k).

    You sit round a table (with out bombing anyone from 30,000 feet) and talk about whats upsetting them so much, and how this grievece can be solved.

    The IRA also have lost popluar support from the people of Ireland, and the loyaists have also lost support and are not active in terrorsim...
     
  21. Jul 29, 2005 #20
    don't be so hard on yourself.
     
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