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Irrational fear infects 34; three hospitalized

  1. Aug 4, 2006 #1
    What is it with people's awful risk managment? Does a significant fraction of the populace have so little grasp of numbers that they're more afraid of venemous snakes and nuclear power plants than of driving on the interstates? Look what's just happened in the midwest; there are people so unbalanced that they prefer not be vaccinated against horrible diseases. And now they're sick, who would have thought.


    Honestly, why don't they just get up and relocate to the third world, it's just what they want apparently - no scary health care, and dozens of happy, all-natural diseases. :grumpy:
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    Yes, a high fraction of people are motivated by irrational fear.
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    Because the government is using vaccines in order to implant mind control agents into the civilians of this country!

    The eradication of various diseases was just a coincadence.

    Makes perfect sense!
  5. Aug 4, 2006 #4
    This more than likely would have been an irrational fear held by the parents. Measles is one of the diseases covered by the MMR vaccine which is normaly given in early childhood.

    There has been a long term debate about the safety of many vaccines including, MMR and DPT, because they contained mercury as a preservative.
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    I don't think it's fair to call them unbalanced. :grumpy:
  7. Aug 5, 2006 #6
    From the CDC:-



    I asked when getting a flu jab whether the injection had any mercury in it, I was informed that no innoculation injection in the uk uses mercury as a base any more, whether this is the case in the US I don't know, but a hospital occupational health officer/specialist nurse aught to be a pretty reliable source.

    AFAIK the case for autism and measles has been debunked, and without further support is liable to remain in the dog house.

    This is a childrens health issue and quite rightly people are worried for their safety, it's a kind of damage limitation campaign, the erroneous scientific evidence for MMR's link with autism is hard to overpower, I would imagine.


    All I can say is it's a good job that the diseases in question have low mortality rates :rolleyes:
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    I think this is the scientifc article for those interested

    More scientific litterature about the vaccines and autism
  9. Aug 5, 2006 #8
    Good find there! Thanks for that :smile:
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    I wouldn't say it's horrible risk management.

    The risks associated with vaccinations remain pretty constant. The risk of coming in contact with a disease decrease as the percentage of the population receiving vaccinations increases.

    At a certain point, the risk associated with the vaccinations is greater than the risks of coming in contact with the disease, let alone suffer serious effects from the disease. If your family were the only family that thought of this idea, then you'd have to say the family actually reduced the risks for their children.

    Of course, the problem with that line of thought is that the family's evaluation was based on a snapshot in time. Not getting the vaccinations really carries an unknown variable risk. There's no way to know how many other people will choose to bypass the risk of vaccination, meaning there's no way to know what the chances of coming in contact with the disease actually are over a person's lifetime.

    With no controls, you would expect the risk of disease to fluctuate around some value approximately equal to the risk of vaccination. With vaccinations being mandatory (mandatory with easy to get exemptions), the risk of disease could probably be expected to stay a little below the risk of vaccinations.
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    Perhaps you missed this bit:
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    I didn't miss it. Whether or not thimerosal contributed to neurological disorders in children is still questioned by many people. Many parents believed that it did, and that was probably the reason that it was recently removed from vaccines given to young children In the U.S.

    During the 1990's the CDC increased the number and types of vaccines that they thought children should have. At that same time there was an increase in neurological, especially autism, disorders in young children.

    I have no idea whether or not there was a connection. That is still being debated. I do know that many parents thought that there was a connection and did not allow their children to be vaccinated.
    http://www.a-champ.org/documents/geier Early Downward Trends JAPS 3-1-06.pdf
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