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Is a photon akin to a battle ship plowing through the foam

  1. Apr 24, 2005 #1

    wolram

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    Is a photon akin to a battle ship plowing through the foam. not loosing
    energy but imparting it, via its bow wave, maybe undetectable to date as
    the disturbance would be Miniscule, I do not mean gravitational radiation,
    more a damped local oscillation as the photon pushes through the foam.
     
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  3. Apr 25, 2005 #2

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    How does mass couples to QG? I was just thinking that, as photons do not loose energy when traveling great distances across the universe, "QG in the vacuum has no effect on them", but do they have an effect on it, a sort of reverse of gravity attracting mass. Mass attracts gravity.
    So every mass pulls on gravity, as gravity is "space time", sufficient
    mass will distort it, causing any mass that is near by to infall into the
    distortion.
     
  4. Apr 25, 2005 #3

    wolram

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    May be the question is stupid, ill informed, but what the hey, no answers
    is just as bad.
     
  5. Apr 25, 2005 #4

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    In something approaching the standard model, everything cruises along through space frictionlessly at the speed of light until they mass starts grabbing at it through the Higgs field creating the inertia effect of mass. Thus, photons would be analogous to smooth ball bearings rolling down a fuzzy carpet hill, while every other kind of fundamental particle in space would have a higher or lower density of little velcro hooks corrosponding to the particle's mass that would slow their descent.

    I can't speak to LQG, however.
     
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  6. Apr 25, 2005 #5

    Garth

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    Higgs field hmmm.. Higgs boson anyone?

    Where are they???

    Garth
     
  7. Apr 25, 2005 #6

    wolram

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    They are hiding along with mr axoin mr graviton etc etc etc.
     
  8. Apr 25, 2005 #7

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    LHC will find them or deny them, unless Tevatron, in its last gasp, does that first.
     
  9. Apr 26, 2005 #8

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    These particles may or may not exist, but the question was, put another
    way, is mass attractive to gravity, or gravity attractive to mass? could
    mass couple to quantum gravity via a secondary action of a disturbance
    caused as it travels through space time?
    Akin to a particle creating a vortex that "captures" any nearby particles
    creating a chain reaction.
    I can not explain any better but i hope some one can understand what
    i am trying to ask.
    thanks for replys so far.
     
  10. Apr 27, 2005 #9

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    http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0205196

    I posted this in astro and cosmology, It is a similar idea to mine, it is called
    No motion no gravity, it may be a bit fringe but so am i.
     
  11. Apr 27, 2005 #10

    Garth

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    'No motion' in which frame of reference may I ask?

    Garth
     
  12. Apr 27, 2005 #11

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    Garth if you are going to be technical i guess frames of reference are
    are a moot point in this theory, as nothing is moving in one frame.
     
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