# Is Colin Powell a Compulsive Liar ?

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Burnsys
Is Colin Powell a Compulsive Liar ??

Claim: Colin Powell talked about the "Mobile biological weapons laboratories". Proffered in the absence of any real laboratories in the wake of the invasion, photos of these trailers were shown on all the US Mainstream Media, with the claim they while seeming to lack anything suggesting biological processing, these were part of a much larger assembly of multiple trailers that churned out biological weapons of mass destruction.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/02/20030205-1.html#44 [Broken]
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/ballontrailer.jpg
FACT: Later it was revealed that these trailers were nothing more than hydrogen gas generators used to inflate weather balloons. This fact was already known to both the US and UK, as a British company manufactured the units and sold them to Iraq.

Claim: Powell claimed that Iraq had purchased special aluminum tubes whose only possible use was in uranium enrichment centrifuges.
FACT: Both CIA and Powell's own State Department confirmed that the tubes were parts for missiles Saddam was legally allowed to have. Following the invasion, no centrifuges, aluminum or otherwise were found.

Claim: Powell claimed to the United Nations that this photo showed "Decontamination Vehicles".
FACT: When United Nations inspectors visited the site after the invasion, they located the vehicles and discovered they were just firefighting equipment

Claim: Powell claimed the Iraqis had illegal rockets and launchers hidden in the palm trees of Western Iraq.
FACT: None were ever found or used.

Claim: Powell claimed that the Iraqis had 8,500 liters (2245 gallons) of Anthrax.
FACT: None was ever found or used.

Claim: Powell claimed that Iraq had four tons of VX nerve gas.
FACT:The UN had already confirmed that it was destroyed. The only VX ever found were samples the US had left as "standards" for testing. When the UN suspected that the US samples had been used to contaminate Iraqi warheads, the US moved quickly to destroy the samples before comparison tests could be carried out. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/404896.stm

Claim: Powell claimed that Iraq was building long-range remote drones specifically designed to carry biological weapons.
FACT: The only drones found were short-range reconnaissance drones

Claim: Powell claimed that Iraq had an aggregate of between 100 and 500 tons of chemical and biological warfare agents. Powell gave no basis for that claim at all,
FACT: a DIA report issued the same time directly contradicted the claim. No biological or chemical weapons were found in Iraq following the invasion.

Claim: Powell claimed that "unnamed sources" confirmed that Saddam had authorized his field commanders to use biological weapons.
FACT:No such weapons were ever used by the Iraqis to defend against the invasion and, of course, none were ever found in Iraq.

Claim: Powell claimed that 122mm warheads found by the UN inspectors were chemical weapons.
FACT: The warheads were empty, and showed no signs of ever having contained chemical weapons.

Claim: Powell claimed that Iraq had a secret force of illegal long-range Scud missiles.
FACT: None were ever found or used

Claim: Powell claimed to have an audio tape proving that Saddam was supporting Osama Bin Laden.
FACT: Independent translation of the tape revealed Osama's wish for Saddam's death.

Claim: Colin Powell's UN debacle also included spy photos taken from high flying aircraft and spacecraft. On the photos were circles and arrows and labels pointing to various fuzzy white blobs and identifying them as laboratories and storage areas for Saddam's massive weapons of mass destruction program. http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/taji_sites_shrunk.jpg
FACT:Nothing in the photos actually suggested what the blobby shapes were and inspections which followed the invasion, all of them turned out to be rather benign.

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The Smoking Man
I always enjoyed this

edward
The situation is more like: "Was Colin Powell lied to".

Most of the misinformation disseminated by the Bush Administration came from an Iraqi expatriate named Ahmad Chalabi. They paid him over $30 million. He told the the administration what they wanted to hear. Cheney and Rumsfeld were chomping at the bit for a reason to invade Iraq so they conveniently never bothered to check out the validity of Mr. Chalabi's information. Mr. Chalabi sit directly behind Mrs Bush during the last state of the union address. Mr. Chalabi was later arrested in Iraq. Last edited: edward The Smoking Man said: I always enjoyed this Right on the money TSM. Is Colin Powell a Compulsive Liar ?? More like a muppet with Bush's arm stuck up his arse. Gold Member edward said: The situation is more like: "Was Colin Powell lied to". Most of the misinformation disseminated by the Bush Administration came from an Iraqi expatriate named Ahmad Chalabi. They paid him over$30 million.

He told the the administration what they wanted to hear. Cheney and Rumsfeld were chomping at the bit for a reason to invade Iraq so they conveniently never bothered to check out the validity of Mr. Chalabi's information.

Mr. Chalabi sit directly behind Mrs Bush during the last state of the union address. Mr. Chalabi was later arrested in Iraq.
I thought he was just being a good company man, but couldn't wait to resign. However, in a recent interview he was still defending the Bush adminstration. After that I completely lost respect for him, and he has lost credibility along with the rest of them.

edward
I think Powell will write another book as soon as Bush leaves office. The current administration can make life difficult for a former senior cabinet member who tells the truth.
At least that is my hope. It is possible that Powell sold his soul to the devil like the rest of them.

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Powell seems to have sold out but you may be right. Once the disaster finally ends he may speak out.

Burnsys
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/08/19/powell.un/
airs Sunday at 8 p.m. and 11 p.m. ET, pieces together the events leading up to the mistaken WMD intelligence that was presented to the public

Yeah! right! mistaken!, the cia must be made of blind morons, and mentally retarded people to make all this amount of mistakes, ooooor they did't on purpose...

"(Powell) came through the door ... and he had in his hands a sheaf of papers, and he said, 'This is what I've got to present at the United Nations according to the White House, and you need to look at it,'" Wilkerson says in the program. "It was anything but an intelligence document. It was, as some people characterized it later, sort of a Chinese menu from which you could pick and choose."

Damn. im am in argentina (yes a corrupt 3rd world country) and even if somenone stole a car for example, and is bring to court, all the papers has to be perfect, any fault in legal process and the case is null, i can't belive the "Most powerfull and prosperous nation on the world" Can start a WAR against a country based on somenthing that looks like a "Chinnese Menu".

In one dramatic accusation in his speech, Powell showed slides alleging that Saddam had bioweapons labs mounted on trucks that would be almost impossible to find

Yes they where found, and they where were nothing more than hydrogen gas generators used to inflate weather balloons. This fact was already known to both the US and UK, as a British company manufactured the units and sold them to Iraq.

So, i am asking now, russ, evo, sid_galt, pengwiuno, or some of those who constantly defend the goverment, what should be done about this? shouldn't colling powel, tenet, and all involved in this be prosecuted? or at least be fired from the office??? what do you think?

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Powell and Tenet are gone already, but Tenet was presented the Medal of Freedom before he left. I suppose freedom is what it really comes down to here; where else can a few guys get together, dig though a veritable "Chinese menu" of arguments to justify starting war, and acutally make their dreams come true?

O beautiful for spacious skies...

rick1138
I'm ashamed of my country. We could be so much better. We do have the power to be a true world leader but we have squandered it through greed and corruption.

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Burnsys said:
Yes they where found, and they where were nothing more than hydrogen gas generators used to inflate weather balloons.

You know, a hydrogen filled balloon can make a pretty potent bomb.

(That was a joke, by the way, since someone will think I'm serious.)

The Smoking Man
loseyourname said:
You know, a hydrogen filled balloon can make a pretty potent bomb.

(That was a joke, by the way, since someone will think I'm serious.)
Hmmm .... Let's fill the baloons at Bush's birthday party with Hydrogen then.

Then put LOTS of candles on his cake. :surprised

edward
WHAT! and waste a perfectly good cake. :tongue2:

The Smoking Man
edward said:
WHAT! and waste a perfectly good cake. :tongue2:
Okay tightwad, I'll spring for the cake. :grumpy:

champ2823

faust9
LMAO---champ2823 hit that button to the right of the " every now and again please.

Powell---not a liar but rather a tried and true career lapdog.

Also, all this talk about Bush and bombs... Shhhh the CIA is hiding behind the O-Scope at the top of the page, and I could have sworn I saw the FBI slinking down the DNA strand a minute ago.

champ2823
Faust...are you saying that what i have said is false?
No doubt the CIA and FBI lie about their intelligence as well...My examples are from specific agents hired by the Bush administration for the sole purpose of going to these regions and coming back with information about WMD's. Then these reports were cited by Bush in his speeches saying it was evidence that he did, when the reports are clearly decissive that he didn't.

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ENSOR: The day before Powell's speech, a CIA skeptic had warned about the defector's reputation as a liar. In an email reply, his superior acknowledges the problem but adds, "This war is going to happen regardless. The powers that be probably aren't interested in whether Curveball knows what he's talking about.

Powell was not told about the email.

POWELL: Leaving Saddam Hussein in possession of weapons of mass destruction for a few more months or years is not an option. Not in the post September 11th world.

ENSOR: The speech would turn out to be riddled with misleading allegations but at the time the press plays it as an overwhelming success.

WILKERSON: He had walked into my office musing and he said words to the effect of, I wonder how we'll all feel if we put half a million troops in Iraq and march from one end of the country to the other and find nothing.

ENSOR: I will forever be known as the one who made the case, Colin Powell now says. I have to live with that.

WILKERSON: I look back on it and I still say it's the lowest point in my life. I wish I had not been involved in it.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/21/cp.01.html

champ2823 said:
Faust...are you saying that what i have said is false?
No doubt the CIA and FBI lie about their intelligence as well...My examples are from specific agents hired by the Bush administration for the sole purpose of going to these regions and coming back with information about WMD's. Then these reports were cited by Bush in his speeches saying it was evidence that he did, when the reports are clearly decissive that he didn't.
His name was Joe Wilson and he went to Niger at the behest of the CIA to follow up on a request by The VP's office to look into a report based on a document (found to be forged) in the hands of the British.

The CIA would not vett the claim so the president changed his speech from citing the CIA as the source of the claim to the British.

And please learn not to write in such a run on fashion. Makes it very difficult to read your post.

The Smoking Man
Skyhunter said:
His name was Joe Wilson and he went to Niger at the behest of the CIA to follow up on a request by The VP's office to look into a report based on a document (found to be forged) in the hands of the British.

The CIA would not vett the claim so the president changed his speech from citing the CIA as the source of the claim to the British.

And please learn not to write in such a run on fashion. Makes it very difficult to read your post.
Actually, the originals were in the hands of the French but somehow the Brits gained copies.

The French had stated they were bogus and had refused to release them to the world intelligence community because of this. This is apparently quite common in intelligence.

They simply pointed to the fact that some of the signatures on the document were actually from people who hadn't been in government for over 10 years.

When the French came out and stated they were bogus and should not be trusted, America started the campaign to demonize the French because they were the only doccuments left at the time to support the invasion.

This was the first appearance of 'Cheese eating surrender Monkeys' and 'Freedom Fries'.

faust9
champ2823 said:
Faust...are you saying that what i have said is false?
No doubt the CIA and FBI lie about their intelligence as well...My examples are from specific agents hired by the Bush administration for the sole purpose of going to these regions and coming back with information about WMD's. Then these reports were cited by Bush in his speeches saying it was evidence that he did, when the reports are clearly decissive that he didn't.

No, what I'm saying is the 'facts' that you presented concern the Bush admin as a whole, not so much Colin Powell. Powell is a 'good soldier' in that he does what he's told. He probably did lie but did so unknowingly. I think he was misled buy the upper eschelon of the admin (not as much as they misled the American population) in persuit of the plans laid out by Rumsfeld and Cheney some 5 years prior to the actual invasion.

champ2823
Skyhunter said:
His name was Joe Wilson and he went to Niger at the behest of the CIA to follow up on a request by The VP's office to look into a report based on a document (found to be forged) in the hands of the British.

The CIA would not vett the claim so the president changed his speech from citing the CIA as the source of the claim to the British.

And please learn not to write in such a run on fashion. Makes it very difficult to read your post.

Yeah that's his name...thanks
And sorry, sometimes when I get going, I just keep writing from one thing to another.