I didn't say that they were the same thing. I said there was a logical relationship between them.Eh said:But they are not inseperable, as you've said. There are 2 different philosophies here.
Sartre is tricky and I could be wrong. Existentialism has different interpretions. I suppose it depends how you interpret 'existence preceeds essence'. Heidegger is pretty clear however. My original quote by the way, from Pepineau, refered to ontological idealism. I believe that you'll find that the majority of major philosophers have been ontological idealists. I'm not sure how I could prove though.What in the world are you basing that claim on? Also, based on what are you claiming Sartre, Heidegger was an ontological idealist? I think that once you clarify the difference between the 2 kinds of idealism we discussed, you'll find that a much smaller group of philosophers took the metaphysical position of idealism.
Ah. Maybe I see the problem. I wasn't suggesting that idealism could be falsified. I was saying that idealism makes predictions about the observable world.Let's clarify here. You seemed to be disagreeing with the fact that: Since ontological idealism says nothing specific about how the observable world should be, it cannot be falsified. In fact, you claimed this wasn't true. That is the whole argument here. If you agree on this point, then there is nothing to argue, right?
Idealism predicts that the world should be just as it is, as one would expect if it is true or unfalsifiable. However these are not scientifically testable predictions. If they were then idealism would be falsifiable.
My point was that IF idealism is unfalsifiable (or true) then we can predict (deduce if you like, which is ultimately the same thing) from that fact that science cannot explain consciousness. Of course it can be argued that science will explain it in the future, but this doesn't alter anything. It just means that I was wrong to assume that idealism was unfalsifiable - and I acknowledged that this was a conjecture with the 'IF' at the beginning.