Is $\mathcal{A}$ a $\sigma$-algebra over $M$?

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Yes, you are correct! There are indeed 15 ways to pick 2 elements from $\mathcal{A}$ since order doesn't matter. Great job! (Smile)
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Hey! :eek:

We have the set $M=\{1,2,3,4\}$. I want to check if the following are $\sigma$-algebras over $M$.
  1. $\mathcal{A}=\{\emptyset, \{1,2\}, \{3,4\}\}$
  2. $\mathcal{A}=\{\emptyset, M, \{1\}, \{2,3,4\}, \{1,2\}, \{3,4\}\}$
  3. $\mathcal{A}=\{\emptyset, M, \{3\}, \{1,2,4\}\}$
  4. $\mathcal{A}=\{\emptyset, M, \{1\}, \{2\}, \{1,2\}, \{3,4\}, \{2,3,4\}, \{1,2,4\}, \{1,3,4\}\}$

$\mathcal{A}$ is a $\sigma$-algebra over $M$ if the following hold:
  • $M$ is in $\mathcal{A}$.
  • If $A$ is in $\mathcal{A}$, then so is the complement of $A$.
  • If $A_n$ is a sequence of elements of $\mathcal{A}$, then the union of the $A_n$s is in $\mathcal{A}$.
I have done the following:

  1. $\mathcal{A}=\{\emptyset, \{1,2\}, \{3,4\}\}$
    • $M \notin \mathcal{A}$.

    Therefore, $\mathcal{A}$ is not a $\sigma$-algebra over $M$.
  2. $\mathcal{A}=\{\emptyset, M, \{1\}, \{2,3,4\}, \{1,2\}, \{3,4\}\}$
    • $M \in \mathcal{A}$.
    • $\emptyset \in \mathcal{A} \rightarrow \emptyset^c=M\in \mathcal{A}$
      $M \in \mathcal{A} \rightarrow M^c=\emptyset\in \mathcal{A}$
      $\{1\}\in \mathcal{A} \rightarrow \{1\}^c=\{2,3,4\}\in \mathcal{A}$
      $\{2,3,4\} \in \mathcal{A} \rightarrow \{2,3,4\}^c=\{1\}\in \mathcal{A}$
      $\{1,2\} \in \mathcal{A} \rightarrow \{1,2\}^c=\{3,4\}\in \mathcal{A}$
      $\{3,4\} \in \mathcal{A} \rightarrow \{3,4\}^c=\{1,2\}\in \mathcal{A}$
    • Do we have to check if the union of all the elements of $\mathcal{A}$ is again in $\mathcal{A}$ ?
  3. $\mathcal{A}=\{\emptyset, M, \{3\}, \{1,2,4\}\}$
    • $M\in \mathcal{A}$.
    • $\emptyset \in \mathcal{A} \rightarrow \emptyset^c=M\in \mathcal{A}$
      $M \in \mathcal{A} \rightarrow M^c=\emptyset\in \mathcal{A}$
      $\{3\} \in \mathcal{A} \rightarrow \{3\}^c=\{1,2,4\}\in \mathcal{A}$
      $\{1,2,4\} \in \mathcal{A} \rightarrow \{1,2,4\}^c=\{3\}\in \mathcal{A}$
    • Do we have to check if the union of all the elements of $\mathcal{A}$ is again in $\mathcal{A}$ ?
  4. $\mathcal{A}=\{\emptyset, M, \{1\}, \{2\}, \{1,2\}, \{3,4\}, \{2,3,4\}, \{1,2,4\}, \{1,3,4\}\}$
    • $M \in \mathcal{A}$.
    • $\emptyset \in \mathcal{A} \rightarrow \emptyset^c=M\in \mathcal{A}$
      $M \in \mathcal{A} \rightarrow M^c=\emptyset\in \mathcal{A}$
      $\{1\}\in \mathcal{A} \rightarrow \{1\}^c=\{2,3,4\}\in \mathcal{A}$
      $\{2\} \in \mathcal{A} \rightarrow \{2\}^c=\{1,3,4\}\in \mathcal{A}$
      $\{1,2\} \in \mathcal{A} \rightarrow \{1,2\}^c=\{3,4\}\in \mathcal{A}$
      $\{3,4\}\in \mathcal{A} \rightarrow \{3,4\}^c=\{1,2\}\in \mathcal{A}$
      $\{2,3,4\} \in \mathcal{A} \rightarrow \{2,3,4\}^c=\{1\}\in \mathcal{A}$
      $\{1,2,4\} \in \mathcal{A} \rightarrow \{1,2,4\}^c=\{3\}\notin \mathcal{A}$

    So, $\mathcal{A}$ is not a $\sigma$-algebra.
Is what I have done correct? Could you give me a hint how we could check the last property? (Wondering)
 
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mathmari said:
[*] Do we have to check if the union of all the elements of $\mathcal{A}$ is again in $\mathcal{A}$ ?

Is what I have done correct? Could you give me a hint how we could check the last property? (Wondering)

Hey mathmari! (Smile)

Yep. It's all correct.

To check the last property formally we need to check every sequence of elements.
With 6 elements that is $2^6=64$ possible sequences. (Sweating)

However, it suffices if we check every combination of 2 elements.
We can break up the union of a sequence of n elements into a series of unions of 2 elements after all.
With 6 elements that is 6 x 5 = 30 possible sequences.
Furthermore, combinations that contain $\varnothing$ or $M$ trivially satisfy the requirement.
So that leaves us with 4 x 3 = 12 combinations to verify.
 
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I like Serena said:
However, it suffices if we check every combination of 2 elements.
We can break up the union of a sequence of n elements into a series of unions of 2 elements after all.

Why does this suffice to check every combination of 2 elements? (Wondering)
I like Serena said:
With 6 elements that is 6 x 5 = 30 possible sequences.

How do we get that number of possible sequences? I got stuck right now. (Wondering)
 
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mathmari said:
Why does this suffice to check every combination of 2 elements?

Let's take a look at the sequence $(A_1, A_2, A_3, ..., A_n)$.
Then we need that $A_1\cup A_2\cup A_3\cup ...\cup A_n \in \mathcal{A}$ yes?

Or written otherwise that $((((A_1\cup A_2)\cup A_3)\cup ...)\cup A_n) \in \mathcal{A}$.
But we also need that $A_1\cup A_2\in\mathcal A$, since that's also a possible sequence.
Every parenthesized expression of effectively 2 elements must be in $\mathcal A$.

In other words, if we pick each combination of 2 elements and verify that it's in $\mathcal A$, it follows that each sequence that is built from more than 2 elements is also in $\mathcal A$.

mathmari said:
How do we get that number of possible sequences? I got stuck right now.

In how many ways can we pick 2 elements from $\mathcal A$ if it has 6 elements? (Wondering)
 
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I like Serena said:
Let's take a look at the sequence $(A_1, A_2, A_3, ..., A_n)$.
Then we need that $A_1\cup A_2\cup A_3\cup ...\cup A_n \in \mathcal{A}$ yes?

Or written otherwise that $((((A_1\cup A_2)\cup A_3)\cup ...)\cup A_n) \in \mathcal{A}$.
But we also need that $A_1\cup A_2\in\mathcal A$, since that's also a possible sequence.
Every parenthesized expression of effectively 2 elements must be in $\mathcal A$.

In other words, if we pick each combination of 2 elements and verify that it's in $\mathcal A$, it follows that each sequence that is built from more than 2 elements is also in $\mathcal A$.

I got it! (Nerd)
I like Serena said:
Furthermore, combinations that contain $\varnothing$ or $M$ trivially satisfy the requirement.

We use here the fact that $\emptyset \cup S=S$ and $M\cup S=M$, for any set $S$, right? (Wondering)
So, we have the following:

mathmari said:
2. $\mathcal{A}=\{\emptyset, M, \{1\}, \{2,3,4\}, \{1,2\}, \{3,4\}\}$
  • $M \in \mathcal{A}$.
  • $\emptyset \in \mathcal{A} \rightarrow \emptyset^c=M\in \mathcal{A}$
    $M \in \mathcal{A} \rightarrow M^c=\emptyset\in \mathcal{A}$
    $\{1\}\in \mathcal{A} \rightarrow \{1\}^c=\{2,3,4\}\in \mathcal{A}$
    $\{2,3,4\} \in \mathcal{A} \rightarrow \{2,3,4\}^c=\{1\}\in \mathcal{A}$
    $\{1,2\} \in \mathcal{A} \rightarrow \{1,2\}^c=\{3,4\}\in \mathcal{A}$
    $\{3,4\} \in \mathcal{A} \rightarrow \{3,4\}^c=\{1,2\}\in \mathcal{A}$

$\{1\}\cup \{2,3,4\}=M\in \mathcal{A}$
$\{1\}\cup \{1,2\}=\{1,2\}\in \mathcal{A}$
$\{1\}\cup \{3,4\}=\{1,3,4\}\notin \mathcal{A}$

Therefore, $\mathcal{A}$ is not a $\sigma$-algebra.
mathmari said:
3. $\mathcal{A}=\{\emptyset, M, \{3\}, \{1,2,4\}\}$
  • $M\in \mathcal{A}$.
  • $\emptyset \in \mathcal{A} \rightarrow \emptyset^c=M\in \mathcal{A}$
    $M \in \mathcal{A} \rightarrow M^c=\emptyset\in \mathcal{A}$
    $\{3\} \in \mathcal{A} \rightarrow \{3\}^c=\{1,2,4\}\in \mathcal{A}$
    $\{1,2,4\} \in \mathcal{A} \rightarrow \{1,2,4\}^c=\{3\}\in \mathcal{A}$
  • Do we have to check if the union of all the elements of $\mathcal{A}$ is again in $\mathcal{A}$ ?

$\{3\}\cup \{1,2,4\}=M\in \mathcal{A}$

So, $\mathcal{A}$ is a $\sigma$-algebra. Is everything correct? (Wondering)

I like Serena said:
In how many ways can we pick 2 elements from $\mathcal A$ if it has 6 elements? (Wondering)

Aren't there $\binom{6}{2}=\frac{6!}{2!\cdot 4!}=\frac{4!\cdot 5\cdot 6}{2\cdot 4!}=5\cdot 3=15$ ways? (Wondering)
 
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mathmari said:
We use here the fact that $\emptyset \cup S=S$ and $M\cup S=M$, for any set $S$, right?

Yep.
And actually we also have $S\cup S=S$ for any set $S$. (Nerd)

mathmari said:
Is everything correct?

Yep. (Nod)

mathmari said:
Aren't there $\binom{6}{2}=\frac{6!}{2!\cdot 4!}=\frac{4!\cdot 5\cdot 6}{2\cdot 4!}=5\cdot 3=15$ ways?

Indeed.
As I wrote it, I took 6 choices for the 1st element and 5 choices for the 2nd element, giving us 6 x 5 = 30 ways.
Using $S\cup T=T\cup S$, we can reduce that by a factor 2 giving the 15 ways that you found. (Mmm)
 
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I like Serena said:
Yep.
And actually we also have $S\cup S=S$ for any set $S$. (Nerd)
Yep. (Nod)
Indeed.
As I wrote it, I took 6 choices for the 1st element and 5 choices for the 2nd element, giving us 6 x 5 = 30 ways.
Using $S\cup T=T\cup S$, we can reduce that by a factor 2 giving the 15 ways that you found. (Mmm)

I understand! Thank you so much! (Mmm)
 

1. What is a σ-algebra over M?

A σ-algebra over M is a collection of subsets of a given set M that satisfies three properties: (1) it includes the empty set, (2) it is closed under complement (i.e. if A is in the σ-algebra, then its complement is also in the σ-algebra), and (3) it is closed under countable unions (i.e. if A1, A2, ... are all in the σ-algebra, then their union is also in the σ-algebra).

2. What is the purpose of a σ-algebra over M?

A σ-algebra over M is used in measure theory to define a measure, which assigns a numerical value to each set in the σ-algebra. This measure can then be used to calculate the size or probability of events in the context of probability theory and statistics.

3. How is a σ-algebra over M different from a power set of M?

A σ-algebra over M is a subset of the power set of M, but not all subsets of the power set of M are σ-algebras. A σ-algebra over M must satisfy the three properties mentioned above, while the power set of M includes all possible subsets of M.

4. Can a σ-algebra over M be finite?

Yes, a σ-algebra over M can be finite. As long as it satisfies the three properties mentioned above, a σ-algebra over M can have a finite number of subsets.

5. How is a σ-algebra over M related to a Borel σ-algebra?

A Borel σ-algebra is a special type of σ-algebra that is generated by the open sets of a topological space. In other words, it is the smallest σ-algebra that contains all the open sets. A σ-algebra over M may or may not be a Borel σ-algebra, depending on the specific set M and the topology on M.

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