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  1. Jul 27, 2011 #1
    Is MSNBC the "Establishment"

    so i was following a youtube link at another forum, and i end up seeing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuekVufDBNc". and what i see as the featured video on his channel is this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5x7o0sNrulg

    now, i haven't watched much MSNBC lately, so, not only did i not realize Cenk Uyger had ever been in, i didn't know he was now out. which is neither here nor there. but listen to the reasons that he says that MSNBC did not give him the 6 o'clock slot, despite what he says are stellar ratings. apparently, "people in washington" didn't like his tone. and the head of MSNBC says "outsiders are cool. but we're not. we're insiders. we are the establishment." and then he goes on to say that MSNBC is not FOX, defends Maddow, etc. says he was offered double the money for a smaller role.

    so just what does this say about MSNBC? and what does it mean for them to be The Establishment? to what degree does power and money control the media and our government? is real, honest criticism even allowed in a way that isn't marginalized?
     
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  3. Jul 27, 2011 #2
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    There is some obvious dislike of Fox News from this administration - the most recent incident even involves Press Sec. Carney accusing the Fox News rep of attempting to politicize his question. The reporter asked what the President's plan actually was regarding the debt ceiling - noting that the CBO hasn't evaluated anything from President Obama because there isn't a specific plan.

    While I have little real fact to back it up (other than things like Uyger's story) my perception is that MSNBC is tighter with this administration than any other new agency has been with the government. Say what you want about Fox News, and while they definately have a point of view - I don't think there has ever been a relationship with the conservatives as a whole in Congress or in the White House. Karl Rove and a few former Bush-WH advisors are on Fox now, but I never got the impression that the White House was calling the shots for Fox News programming (and if there ever was an official-ish relationship, I'm sure we would have heard about it).
     
  4. Jul 28, 2011 #3

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    http://politicalwire.com/archives/2011/06/30/fox_news_blueprint_found_in_nixon_files.html [Broken]

    http://gawkernet.com/ailesfiles/ailesfiles.html

    Watch the PBS News Hour - shown by a UCLA study linked a number of times now to be the most balanced

    As for the Young Turks, he didn't get the job so MSNBC is corrupt. Okay. We could lose MSNBC for all I care, but this just sounds like hype and sour grapes to me.
     
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  5. Jul 28, 2011 #4
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    It's interesting to note that Ailes, before working at Fox News (launched in 1996, after both of those Presidents), was the chief at CNBC for a while.

    And with the Young Turks, it's the blatant 'steering' that occured. Maybe he's lying, but if the reasoning was really because MSNBC was worried that it would make someone in DC mad - that's some ugly corruption. MSNBC already has lower ratings than Fox and CNN, so I don't think many are too worried - but the fact that this type of corruption could be happening is kinda scary. It legitimizes the claims of intentional hyper-politicization by the left which can only mean better ratings for Fox News in the end.
     
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  6. Jul 28, 2011 #5
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    balanced? OK, i'll be sure to check it out. but, maybe you'll also try to look up my previous comments on FOX. i never denied that they lean right. in fact, if memory serves, i'm pretty sure i described FOX as leaning right, MSNBC as leaning left, and CNN being more centrist. and i'd even say that i had some respect for the way Maddow carried herself, even though i couldn't stand Olberman at the time and thought he was just a mirror to O'Reilley.

    so before you go on a defensive stance, at least recognize that. i've never given a care that MSNBC leans left. infact, i watch 10 times more MSNBC than FOX (fox = almost never), and mostly stick to CNN when it's not celebrity worship. however, i am interested in this accusation that MSNBC says it is the establishment. i find that a bit troubling. and yes, it would be a lot nicer to have confirmation that is free of bias over contract opportunities.
     
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  7. Jul 28, 2011 #6

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    IMO, MSNBC has an identity crisis: They try to be both at the same time. The Olberman issue is a key example. On the one hand they hired him and rode him to their current ant-fox status, then fired him for being that.
     
  8. Jul 28, 2011 #7

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    It seems to me that MSNBC is stridently liberal and FOX is stridently conservative and neither one is the least bit fair and balanced.

    Personally, I think MSNBC makes a little more of an attempt to be balanced than FOX does but I suspect that folks with a more conservative bent probably think FOX is more balanced than MSNBC but I can't see how anyone can believe that either of them are actually balanced.

    For balanced political commentary I listen to the BBC
     
  9. Jul 28, 2011 #8
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    article and links about this from Glenn Greenwald. seems that Sharpton is the replacement.

    http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/07/27/sharpton/

    60 Minutes even describes him as being part of the establishment now

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHoMXLSjlDo
     
  10. Jul 31, 2011 #9
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    Democracy Now interviews Uyger, and previous experiences of other media personalities are brought up, including Jessica Yellin, Phil Donahue, Ashleigh Banfield, and Jesse Ventura.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/democracy-now/cenk-uygur-leaves-msnbc_b_906708.html

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGtrnXI0ai4


    here's the part where Yellin spilled the beans about having her coverage edited by executives to put on a pro-war spin:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xj7GuF1RUXE

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0805/28/acd.02.html
    and Ashleigh Banfield had an interesting experience at NBC
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashleigh_Banfield
    The Establishment seems to like war.
     
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  12. Aug 25, 2011 #11
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    My wife typically travels with me to visit friends - a top aide would accompany for business purposes in the real world (IMO of course).
     
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    After watching the video it seems to me that you are making more of this than he did. Note the context of him being referred to as an "outsider" and how he has an obvious and admitted desire to rail against "the establishment". It would seem that the person was simply making example of where he stands versus where they stand. Where the "outsider" with the "leather jacket" is "anti-establishment" and derides the "straights" and "squares" who are part of "the establishment".

    Most any news source wants to be an "insider". They want to have good relationships with the people who are "in the know" on the subjects that they are reporting on whether its politics, sports, or entertainment. You can not make and maintain such relationships when you are railing against these people. And its harder to get the juicy information and the high profile interviews if you don't have those relationships.
     
  15. Aug 27, 2011 #14
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    No.

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    Ok: Oh, my goodness, no.
     
  16. Aug 28, 2011 #15
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    It's 'corporate media', and all that that entails.

    It means that the people who own and run it are part of and in line with the interests of the status quo and have a vested interest in not rocking the oligarchical boat.

    No, but the control is generally subtle and behind the scenes enough that it doesn't really offend the general population (which has it pretty good compared to the rest of the world -- eg., the Belarus dictator, Lukashenko recently banned clapping - next is smiling).

    Non democrat and republican candidates who might direct a marked change from the status quo will always be marginalized by the mainstream (ie., corporate) media.
     
  17. Nov 17, 2011 #16
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    i found this fascinating. look at who MS/NBC hires: Jenna Bush, Chelsea Clinton, & Meghan McCain. bipartisan, deeply established children of politicians. and look who Chelsea married - a Goldman Sachs guy (apparently CNN likes Goldman-Sachs, too).

    http://www.salon.com/2011/11/14/americas_meritocratic_watchdog_news_media/singleton/ [Broken]
     
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  18. Nov 18, 2011 #17

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    Um, do we know for sure the political affiliations of these kids matches their parents? Or is this just a gimmick?
     
  19. Nov 19, 2011 #18
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    What in the world do four kids have to do, statistically speaking, with the several thousand folks who work these institutions?

    Bingo. I'd call it a smoke screen.
     
  20. Nov 19, 2011 #19
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    i'm not sure what the question is. is the idea that the network wants them because of their brand?

    and i'm not even sure political affiliation really means that much anymore. at least to politicians. politicians do switch parties to stay in the game.
     
  21. Nov 19, 2011 #20

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    You said they are bipartisan, though. Are they?
     
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