Is prostitution a form of modern day slavery?

[aychamo]

It's a social science and there are definitely moral rules we all have to follow: they are written in the letter of the law. Eliciting debate is not stupid.

Wrong. Laws are laws. Morals are morals.

What's immoral to one person may or may not be immoral to another person. There is no correct answer for asking if something is immoral or not because everyone has their own opinion on it.

Asking for peoples opinions is one thing, but a debate on morality is pointless as everyone has their own opinion.

 

[Gokul43201]

According to Gokul43201

{Mary Magdalene...blah blah}

This is unresponsive to the original question. What is your point?

Yes it is (unresponsive). I'm providing just the kind of post that Saint so often comes up with himself. Instead of discussing the issue in the context of previous posts/responses, he mostly makes some statement based on the Bible (or elsewhere), that is totally out of the flow of discussion.

That's exactly what I did here.

PS : See posts #25 and #32. They are prime examples of posting random facts related to the topic but counter to the flow of the discussion.

 

[BoulderHead]

There are prostitutes everywhere in my country, especially in cities.

What an immoral, evil, country!

Normally they have their business in motels, low-class hotels, hair saloon, health center etc.

You speak with some authority, I notice.

Some are street-prostitutes who approached men who walk alone.

Ahhh, there's nothing quite like a long walk...

 

[Gokul43201]

Come on you guys/gals...you talk as though you have no knowledge of Born Agains !

 

[BoulderHead]

He never addressed a question I asked of him concerning previous posts where he seemed to be blasting many elements of Xianity. Now he seems to be of Xian conviction and blasting away yet again. The common denominator is 'blasting', and F-A-N-A-T-C-I-S-M is what I think of all this, from one extreme to the other.

Yeuuchhh, is my final comment to be posted in any of these type threads. If he wants to discuss morality there is a forum here for that. If he wants to discuss religion there may still remain opportunity in the archives to post, dunno. To me, such does not belong in General.

 

[BobG]

Reasons to be prostitute:

3) Most prostitute are drug addicts too, they need money to buy drugs, therefore they work as prostitute to earn fast money.

This is only true for many of the prostitutes walking the street (maybe even most), many of who do wind up being exploited by pimps because the prostitute can't see any other way of escaping an already bad situation. This is a little different problem than prostitution itself. In fact, making prostitution illegal is the city's main tool for dealing with streetwalkers and pimps.

I think it would be hard to make any generalizations about the more professional businesses that exist almost invisibly. Even if you know at least some of the escort services are really dealing in prostitution, their method of business seldom causes problems for the city.

Someone also mentioned that it doesn't exactly promote a good marriage. However, it also isn't the cause of the deterioration of a marriage. If someone is seeking sexual interactions with someone other than his own wife, then the marriage is already dissolving.

I'm not sure what you mean. Hopefully, you're not suggesting Clinton's Whitehouse escapades were because of Hillary. But, I agree, prostitution itself has little to do with the real problem.

 

[Moonbear]

Reasons to be prostitute:
1) Laziness to work, they want to get quick money by just stretching wide their legs on bed.

I'd hardly consider their profession a lazy one. First of all, they aren't looking for handouts, they ARE working. For those who operate actual businesses, it operates like any other business. For those who are out on the streets, they sure have a harder life than most who head to a cozy office during the day and push around papers on a desk. Try standing outside on a cold, winter day wearing a miniskirt.

2) Silliness and shamelessness to choose this contemptible profession

That's your own judgement of them, not something about the profession itself, so not pertinent to the discussion.

3) Most prostitute are drug addicts too, they need money to buy drugs, therefore they work as prostitute to earn fast money.

Do you really know this for certain? What about in places where prostitution is legal? Perhaps being led to drug abuse and addiction is a consequence of being marginalized in society rather than a prerequisite for joining the profession? Besides, drug addiction is not prostitution. It is a disease, and an entirely separate topic. Many movie stars also have had drug addictions, as have stock-brokers, corporate CEOs, etc. Are those all immoral professions because people in them are addicted to drugs?

4) Has no moral conscience of the disgustable thing they do.

You seem to be the only one here disgusted by this. Morality is personal, so this judgement of yours is once again not a reason for the profession to be immoral, it is your own personal hang-up about it.

I was solicited by pimps and prostitutes many times before while walking on street, they just suddenly came forward to me and asked, "Do you want women? Do you want sex? It is only 100 ringgit per deal. "
It is very embaressing and insulting to me.

Perhaps the question to ask yourself is why were you embarrassed and insulted by this? Were you tempted and ashamed of your feeling of temptation? Did you envision what you would do with a prostitute and felt guilty for the things you thought about? Why is this any different to you than someone walking up and trying to sell you a watch on a street corner? Why could you not simply say, "No thank you," and keep walking without embarrassment? Perhaps it's your own morality that you question. Afterall, if you were disinterested, there would be no reason to feel embarrassment, you wouldn't feel anything about it other than turning down a sales pitch. Perhaps rather than posting this here, you should consult with a psychologist to help understand and deal with your inhibitions. It just doesn't seem healthy or natural to view sex as disgusting.

 

[Moonbear]

I'm not sure what you mean. Hopefully, you're not suggesting Clinton's Whitehouse escapades were because of Hillary. But, I agree, prostitution itself has little to do with the real problem.

That was my comment. I was talking about the marriage as a whole, not assigning individual blame. In Hillary's and Bill's case, I don't know what was going on behind closed doors with them. Clearly the choice to stray from the marriage was Bill's. However, he must have already been discontented with some aspect of the marriage to have even considered the option. When a happily married man is solicited by either a prostitute or just given attention by a woman in a bar, they are usually quick to respond with the line, "I'm happily married."

 

[humanino]

Reasons to be prostitute:
1) Laziness to work, they want to get quick money by just stretching wide their legs on bed.
2) Silliness and shamelessness to choose this contemptible profession
3) Most prostitute are drug addicts too, they need money to buy drugs, therefore they work as prostitute to earn fast money.
4) Has no moral conscience of the disgustable thing they do.

You are a horrible person. Saint, please read the other posts. Either there is a deep misunderstanding here, or you keep preaching your own pseudo-moral recklessly.

I begin to feel sympathy for you (I must admit you mad me crazy more than once). The reason is : you are obviously very sick. You need professional help. I'm serious.

 

[Prometheus]

I begin to feel sympathy for you

You are being far more generous that he.

You need professional help.

Of course he does. He is probably a born again convert. Part of his duty, now that he understands the real truth, unlike his perverted porn mongering from before, is to share the real truth with the world.

Be careful of trying to get him to see the light. What happens if he considers you the next guru, and looks to you as the the only bringer of truth to the world. We would all have to sit through him with yet another set of values to avoid eternal hell.

He needs professional help. Unfortunately for us, he is looking for it on this forum.

 

[humanino]

You are being far more generous that he.

I am Christian :tongue2:

 

[humanino]

Be careful of trying to get him to see the light. What happens if he considers you the next guru, and looks to you as the the only bringer of truth to the world.

:surprise: :surprise: :surprise: :surprise: :yuck: :yuck: :yuck:
You are really scarring me here. Do you think he could find me ? :uhh: :uhh:

He needs professional help. Unfortunately for us, he is looking for it on this forum.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
This is very true. Prometheus speaks the truth. Saint you had better choose Prometheus as a guru :tongue2:

 

[Entropy]

I think prostitution is immoral. If you don't see this as blindly obvious, I don't know what to say.

 

[humanino]

Entropy : I say please do not judge prostitutes.

 

[Prometheus]

This is very true. Prometheus speaks the truth. Saint you had better choose Prometheus as a guru

So, you do have a cruel streak in you after all. Saint has brought it out of you. Look at the evil that he has wrought.

 

[Prometheus]

I think prostitution is immoral. If you don't see this as blindly obvious, I don't know what to say.

Very cute. You do know what to say, and you have just said it.

If you think that prosititution is immoral, you certainly have the right to your opinion, and your opinion is a valid one. If you bluster about how we should recognize how obvious it is that your opinion should be our opinion, then you are just sounding like a fool.

Next time you pretend that you do not know what to say, how about saying nothing?

 

[humanino]

So, you do have a cruel streak in you after all. Saint has brought it out of you. Look at the evil that he has wrought.

I never pretended I am all good. God is both Good and Evil, if God is to be everything :uhh: :surprise:
Ooops, I might not be God. That would imply I could be only good.

 

[Prometheus]

I never pretended I am all good. God is both Good and Evil, if God is to be everything :uhh: :surprise:
Ooops, I might not be God. That would imply I could be only good.

I would not dare to attempt to refute your logic.

 

[Saint]

I'd hardly consider their profession a lazy one. First of all, they aren't looking for handouts, they ARE working

What kind of Work?
Tell me, if your father told you he sought prostitutes before marriage and also after marriage, what do you feel about him?

 

[Saint]

please don't attack me personally, stick to the topic I brought up.

 

[Gokul43201]

The art of non sequitur is really being honed over here, wot ?

 

[Jin314159]

Whore not, lest we be pimped. - Gokul 6:9

roflmao!

 

[Dooga Blackrazor]

Your still entitled to think prostitution is immoral Saint. It's just how you word things. It seems to get people to gang up on you.

I still think prostitution is immoral. I think that logically the world should become more old-fashioned in its beliefs towards relationships. By decreasing the overwhelming mass of sexuality and changing the world into a more spiritual atmosphere I believe we would be better off. The goal in mind would be to create an logical sanctity of relationships using things that are available.

I believe that the world needs to strive towards a moral standard that creates the most amount of pleasure in comparison to the least amount of pain. By creating a sacred tradition we can help fill the lack of human pride and general fulfillment of society rather than continuing on a path of hollow sexuality.

I base my morals on logic of course. I believe the true logic lies in taking in the consideration of human emotion and the environment; rationalizing.

Take language for an example. Words are logically just words. It is also logical to view them for what they mean. In the name of effeciency they work to help create pleasure for the benefit of the human race.

The tradition of creating a valued less-sexual world can bring forth an increase in pleasure. Spiritual enjoyment that is satiable rather than the temporary nature of sexuality.

Prostitution in general hampers my ideals. However in certain instances it could result in conforming with my unseen ideal of a pleasure/pain ratio. Therefore; I do not condemn every instance. There are acceptions to the rule. This would create reasoning enough to say that you shouldn't automatically judge a prostitute for their profession.

I hope I explained myself well enough. I didn't mean to offend or confuse anyone. If I did, I apologize.

 

[Dagenais]

For those who are out on the streets, they sure have a harder life than most who head to a cozy office during the day and push around papers on a desk. Try standing outside on a cold, winter day wearing a miniskirt.

They shouldn't be wearing miniskirts of any kind. Most of them are extremely unattractive.

Prostitution, in my opinion, is immoral and bad. Or why do women get offended when you call them one? Because it's not a good thing.

If you have to write posts after posts attempting to justify that being a prostitute is moral - then it probably isn't, or you wouldn't have to be doing so. You don't have to convince people that being an Engineer is moral.

 

[Math Is Hard]

You don't have to convince people that being an Engineer is moral.

well...I dunno. God wasn't too pleased about that Tower of Babel incident.
:rofl:

 

[Moonbear]

Prostitution, in my opinion, is immoral and bad. Or why do women get offended when you call them one? Because it's not a good thing.

Not because prostitution is necessarily a bad thing, but because when someone calls them one, it is intended as a bad thing.

If you have to write posts after posts attempting to justify that being a prostitute is moral - then it probably isn't, or you wouldn't have to be doing so. You don't have to convince people that being an Engineer is moral.

Then the same should be true if you have to write post after post attempting to justify that it is immoral. Again, morality is your own personal view. If you see it as immoral, fine, steer clear of it. Saint just repeatedly posts questions to a discussion forum, but refuses to actually discuss the topic. Instead, he just tells us what he thinks we should believe. He's more than welcome to tell us what he believes or thinks, but he is not welcome to tell me what I should think, at least not without a very convincing argument.

I will also point out that I'm not arguing that prostitution is moral. I don't think that to go out and live a good life, everyone needs to be a prostitute. I'm just saying I don't think it's immoral. It's a profession, nothing more. Morality lies at the individual level.

 

[Dagenais]

Not because prostitution is necessarily a bad thing, but because when someone calls them one, it is intended as a bad thing.

Probably because it is a bad thing.

Would you be happy if you found out your mother was a prostitute? If you angrily answered, "NO you jerk, what are you implying!?", then you're normal, plus, you realize that prostitution is a no-no.

"You" as in general public, since you already said you aren't arguing this.

Then the same should be true if you have to write post after post attempting to justify that it is immoral.

A lot have agreed that it is immoral, then stopped there. It's just a couple of people that keep on pressing the point that there is nothing wrong with it and this causes argument.

It's like how poker players try to convince the IOC and everyone else that poker should be an Olympic Sport. They start petitions, buy commercial times and compare themselves to synchronize swimming. If poker was really a sport, they wouldn't have to try so hard to convince everyone. It would have automatically been one along with basketball, wrestling, track. Instead, they are trying to convince us of something that isn't true.

Again, morality is your own personal view

You do realize that there is a such thing as bad or no moral at all. That sort of thing can land you in jail.

There are sets of basic moral that general society accepts. The problem with your country is that some refuse to realize this, thus, you have problems.

He's more than welcome to tell us what he believes or thinks, but he is not welcome to tell me what I should think, at least not without a very convincing argument.

If you don't like the way he posts, why are you replying to his thread (which is surprisingly popular). Why don't you just add him to your ignore list if you don't appreciate his comments?

I don't think that to go out and live a good life, everyone needs to be a prostitute.

I would hope not.

I'm just saying I don't think it's immoral. It's a profession, nothing more. Morality lies at the individual level.

So, you are arguing that it is moral, contrary to what you said before (I reply as I read).

I use to believe this - since its just another industry that doesn't harm anyone else besides the 'buyer' and 'seller'. Then I realized what these people were really selling. Again, something taken way too lightly in your country.

 

[cragwolf]

I use to believe this - since its just another industry that doesn't harm anyone else besides the 'buyer' and 'seller'. Then I realized what these people were really selling.

What are they selling? What does a bricklayer sell? What does a tech support worker sell? What's the difference?

 

[Prometheus]

Again, something taken way too lightly in your country.

Unlike your country, where no one at all recognizes prostitution as moral, and no one makes use of them.

I use to believe this - since its just another industry that doesn't harm anyone else besides the 'buyer' and 'seller'.

Oh, great. The old "I used to think like you" speech.

Would you be happy if you found out your mother was a prostitute? If you angrily answered, "NO you jerk, what are you implying!?", then you're normal, plus, you realize that prostitution is a no-no.

Not only is this ridiculous example irrelevant to the question at hand, but I contend that no one would EVER answer as you said under the conditions that you provided. Your "answer" is a non-sequitur, as is your entire argument, in my opinion.

A lot have agreed that it is immoral, then stopped there. It's just a couple of people that keep on pressing the point that there is nothing wrong with it and this causes argument.

Surprise. You have the situation reversed. Its just a couple of people like you who keep pressing their morality on every one else.

It's like how poker players try to convince the IOC and everyone else that poker should be an Olympic Sport. They start petitions, buy commercial times and compare themselves to synchronize swimming. If poker was really a sport, they wouldn't have to try so hard to convince everyone. It would have automatically been one along with basketball, wrestling, track. Instead, they are trying to convince us of something that isn't true.

You call this an example? OK, why not read it to understand what everyone thinks of your "argument".

 

[Dagenais]

Unlike your country, where no one at all recognizes prostitution as moral, and no one makes use of them.

A lot less than in the United States. I've lived in British Columbia for almost a decade, and I've seen one street whore. And I've frequented the streets of Vancouver at night.

Not only is this ridiculous example irrelevant to the question at hand

It's very relevant. The problem with you is that anything that contradicts whatever point you don't have is "irrelevant". It makes it so pathetic replying to you.

Its just a couple of people like you who keep pressing their morality on every one else.

No, not really. I said, "In my opinion". Stop implying things that I never said, again, this makes writing to you a complete waste of time.

 

[Saint]

nobody will be proud if his/her mother is a whore.
this simply implies that being a whore is ashamed! And therefore immoral. Nothing moral is to be ashamed of.

 

[check]

But that doesn't mean that everything there is to be ashamed of is immoral.

 

[Saint]

protitution is inherently/obviously/absolutely a shame, disgrace, humiliation, and therefore immoral.

 

[check]

You do realize that not everybody shares the same set of morals, don't you? You are not the morality judge.

 

[Gokul43201]

Check, I suggest you rest those fingers...this thread is going nowhere !