Is terrorism so new?

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For example, the US gave chemical weapons to Iraq in 1983 (?) to use against Iran. Donald Rumsfeld, from what I've seen, was the chief negotiator in this weapons deal.
Well, show us what you've seen, because I am unaware of any such negotiation. From what I understand, the US gave Iraq some chemicals that were later used to create chemical weapons. And I don't think Rumsfeld had anything to do with it. I could be wrong, of course.

As for Afghanistan, I would hardly call the US' involvement murder. And isn't Afghanistan in the Orient, not the Middle East?
 
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Afghanistan is in the Middle East and Southern Asia. DubYa you got plenty of evidence in previous threads about US involvment in Iraq. Stop being difficult.
It makes absolutely no difference if they were given the Chemicals and then made weapons or were given the weapons pre-built. Don't think for a minute that the USA didnt know what Saddam was going to do with them.

Has anyone heard of a terrorist attack in China, Japan, or any of the other South American countries (with the exception of Chili, Paraguay, and Columbia) lately? When I say terrorist attack, I mean a terrorist attack conducted by an Islamic fundamentalist or other Middle Eastern group.
I havn't heard anything... Have you?
 
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Afghanistan is in the Middle East and Southern Asia. DubYa you got plenty of evidence in previous threads about US involvment in Iraq. Stop being difficult.
I asked in another thread about direct evidence that Rumsfeld, or the US governmet for that matter, sold chemical weapons to Iraq. I got nothing. In fact, I posted a source from the US-hating The Guardian that implied the US did no such thing. Do you have the evidence?

It makes absolutely no difference if they were given the Chemicals and then made weapons or were given the weapons pre-built.
From what I understand, the chemicals were pesticides and US officials expressed dismay that Saddam used them to attack people. But I could be wrong. Do you have any evidence to show that the US sold chemicals or chemical weapons to Iraq for Saddam to use as chemical weapons.

I havn't heard anything... Have you?
Not that I am aware of, but I'm not sure if I am involved in this portion of the argument.
 
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Christianity and Western Civilization have been at war with Islam for almost 1400 years. The United States has been at war with Islam since 1801, We are not at war with terrorists. We are at war with Islam and terror is just one of many weapons being used against us on many fronts. We are losing the war, because President Bush refuses to acknowledge who the enemy is.
 
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Ad hominem time: Wow. You're insane.
 
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graphic7 said:
Has anyone heard of a terrorist attack in China, Japan, or any of the other South American countries (with the exception of Chili, Paraguay, and Columbia) lately? When I say terrorist attack, I mean a terrorist attack conducted by an Islamic fundamentalist or other Middle Eastern group.
Maybe this might have something to do with why China does not a a problem with terrorists. http://www.uygur.org/warning/warning.htm [Broken] Got a strong stomach? Now someone tell me again how badly we treated Iraqi prisoners.
 
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Adam said:
Ad hominem time: Wow. You're insane.
I second that!
 
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Outlaws view that this war is against Islam is the view of a radical muslim. Tho there is some truth to it, unless we adress the problem at its root (Islam), it will only get worse.
And just for Adam, im not saying all muslims have a giant problem or are terrorists, im saying the problem is best dealt with by religious debate.
 
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Adam said:
Ad hominem time: Wow. You're insane.
So you are attacking me, because you are unable to attack my argument.
 
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Adam said:
Ad hominem time: Wow. You're insane.
Adam, stop the personal attacks.
 
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Evo said:
Adam, stop the personal attacks.
His personal attack is welcomed, since it shows that he cannot refute what I said.
 
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Outcast said:
Christianity and Western Civilization have been at war with Islam for almost 1400 years. The United States has been at war with Islam since 1801, We are not at war with terrorists. We are at war with Islam and terror is just one of many weapons being used against us on many fronts. We are losing the war, because President Bush refuses to acknowledge who the enemy is.
This is so ridiculous I can't think of a response to it. That doesn't make it any more valid. The Barbary wars (1801-1805; 1815) was about trade and tribute and whatnot, the States didn't want to pay the rising price of tribute to keep their ships safe. It's got nothing to do with Religion.
And 1400 years ago the Christians were killing eachother as much as the muslims.
 
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Hello all iam New!!!!

Well the issue of Islam and Terrorism. Iam going to place my own spin on things.

We the US have created this very issue of Terrorism, when we supported and trained thoughts in Afghanistan against the Russian, but Terrorism has always been around since the early wars in history. This is a war on Islam and it isn’t a war on Islam, because many in the Arab world aren’t radicals, its the Radicals such as Bin Laden that are only fighting us because they want the US and the W.Europe to stop the supporting of tyrant regimes. This Radical thinking is not the majority of Islam, its a fraction and Bin Laden and the US wants us to believe that its all Arabs that are Islamic or simple branded as Arabs are terrorist.

Cheers,

Acidrain
 
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This is so ridiculous I can't think of a response to it. That doesn't make it any more valid. The Barbary wars (1801-1805; 1815) was about trade and tribute and whatnot, the States didn't want to pay the rising price of tribute to keep their ships safe. It's got nothing to do with Religion.
And 1400 years ago the Christians were killing eachother as much as the muslims.
The reason you can't think of a response is ignorance of Islam. Learn just a little of it and then respond to what I say. Nothing to do with religion? Then why were the terrorist on 9-11 yelling "Allahu Akbar", god is greatest as Muhammad taught them to do almost 1400 years ago?

Two powerful and aggressive religions that both believe they have the divine truth cannot coexist. North Africa, The Middle East, Asia Minor were all Christian nations till attacked and over run by Islam. The Moslems invasion of Western Europe was stopped at the Battle of Tours in 732. It took the Europeans over 700 years to push them out of Europe. The Moslem invasion of Eastern Europe was stopped at the The Battle of Vienna in 1683. There is still a sizable population of Moslems in the Balkans today.

For what ever reason the war with the Barbary pirates was the first conflict between the United States and Islam.

To be a Christian is to be Christ like and to follow his example and teachings.
To be a Buddhist is to be Budda like and to follow his example and teachings.
To be a Muslim is to be Muhammad like and to follow his examples and teachings. Agree?
Islam holds that whatever Muhammad either did or allowed to be done is his presence is permissible. This was codified into Islamic law or Sharia in the 10th century. The major source of Islamic law is based on two books the Qur'an and the Hadith. So the question is, what was the example that Muhammad set and what were his teachings?
To begin with Muhammad was a
thief, liar, assassin, mass murderer, terrorist, warmonger, and an unrestrained sexual pervert engaged in pedophilia, incest, and rape. He authorized deception, assassinations, torture, slavery, and genocide.
Prophet of Doom
And what did he teach?
Bukhari:V4B52N50 “The Prophet said, ‘A single endeavor of fighting in Allah’s Cause is better than the world and whatever is in it.’”
Ishaq:587 “Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace.”
Qur’an 9:88 “The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with theirwealth and lives in Allah’s Cause.”
Qur’an 9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”
Qur’an 9:111 “The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”
Qur’an 8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”
Ishaq:324 “Fight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must not have rivals.”
Qur’an 9:14 “Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, lay them low, and cover them with shame. He will help you over them.”
Ishaq:300 “I am fighting in Allah’s service. This is piety and a good deed. In Allah’s war I do not fear as others should. For this fighting is righteous, true, and good.”
Qur’an 8:65 “O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding.”
Bukhari:V4B52N63 “A man whose face was covered with an iron mask came to the Prophet and said, ‘Allah’s Apostle! Shall I fight or embrace Islam first?’ The Prophet said, ‘Embrace Islam first and then fight.’”
Did Christ or Budda ever teach anything like this? The is the religion that President called "Peace."
A good place to start learn the truth about Islam is Prophet of Doom
 

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