Is the Ground of a Car Battery Connected to Any Metal Surface on the Car?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the grounding of a car battery and the safety implications of connecting the ground to any metal surface on the car. Participants explore the electrical principles involved, the reference potential of the battery, and safety considerations when jumping a battery.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants explain that the ground serves as a reference potential, typically connected to the frame of the car, which is part of the electrical system.
  • There is a concern raised about the potential for electrocution when touching the positive terminal and a metal surface, with some arguing that the 12V potential is unlikely to cause harm due to the body's resistance.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of safety when jumping a battery, noting that hydrogen gas can be emitted, and suggests connecting the positive terminal first and grounding away from the battery to avoid sparks.
  • Another participant reiterates that current may flow through the body but asserts it would not be enough to feel it.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the safety of touching the battery's positive terminal and a metal surface, with some asserting it is safe while others raise concerns about potential hazards. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of safety practices.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about electrical safety and the behavior of current in the human body are not fully explored, and there may be dependencies on specific definitions of grounding and electrical potential.

salman213
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Hey, I was looking at a car and the dealer told me the battery is at the back in the trunk. When he opened the hood he showed me how I would jump it if needed or anything else. He said there is one rod (that was visible coming through a connection from the battery) for the positive and for the ground I would just connect to any metal surface on the car.

Thinking about this can someone explain why the ground can be connected to any metal surface on the car?

I know the ground is just a reference point but is the ground of the battery connected to the metal surface of the car too? How does this make sense..

Thanks!
 
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Ground is the reference potential with respect to the rest of the circuitry connected to it, and normally, it would refer to the potential of the Earth's surface.

On a car, the negative terminal of the battery is connected to the frame, and that is the reference potential for the electrical system in the car.
 
so by touching the battery's positive terminal and the metal surface can and individual get electrocuted?
 
salman213 said:
so by touching the battery's positive terminal and the metal surface can and individual get electrocuted?
a potential of 12V isn't going to do much to you because your body is quite resistive. What the salesman apparently did not make clear enough is that when charging a battery or jumping a battery from another vehicle, the battery can be emitting hydrogen gas. Therefor it is safer to connect to the positive terminal first, then attach the other lead to a grounded metal part a bit distant from the battery. When the battery is charged up (or the vehicle is jump-started) the lead to ground should be removed first, and then the lead to the positive terminal. The ensures that if there is a spark upon connect/disconnect, the spark occurs some distance away from the battery.
 
salman213 said:
so by touching the battery's positive terminal and the metal surface can and individual get electrocuted?

Current will flow through your body, but not enough to feel it.
 
Okay thank you to all replies
 

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