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Is there potassium in coffee

  1. Nov 8, 2006 #1
    [SOLVED] Is there potassium in coffee

    can the presence of potassium be determined with a chemical test? if so how? If potassium is heated in a bunsen burner flame , would the flame be yellow?
     
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  3. Nov 8, 2006 #2

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    I assume you mean Potassium ions, not Potassium metal (I would avoid heating that in a flame).
    If you perform a flame test with the K+ ion, the flame, ideally, should be violet/lilac, not yellow (yellow indicates Sodium).
    However, just because you get a yellow, Sodium, flame, does not necessarily indicate that there are no Potassium ions in solution. Potassium gives a very weak flame test and is easily overpowered by the colors given off by impurities, especially Sodium.

    Is there Potassium in coffee? Is there anything to indicate that there is as listed on the nutrition facts?
     
  4. Nov 8, 2006 #3
    the presence of potassium ions

    what would be a reason that potassium ions could not be detected when doing a chemical test with coffee? 4 day old coffee where potassium doesn't decompose
     
  5. Nov 8, 2006 #4
    It is difficult to detect the presence of potassium ions without sophisticated chemical instruments. As mrjeffy321 states, a chemical flame test will not work because sodium's yellow flame will overpower the lilac flame color of potassium.

    Here is a section from an old chemistry book I have that may help you out:

    I guess you could try the blue glass trick the book suggests as it is rather difficult/expensive to make/buy perchloric/chloroplatinic acid.
     
  6. Nov 10, 2006 #5
    I very much doubt a chemical test for potassium in coffee would ever be positive, the concentrations would be extremely low with many impurities. Personally i would use a hyphenated analytical technique like HPLC-AAS and compare to a set of standards as you'd be able to detect ppm concentrations easily.
     
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  8. Nov 11, 2006 #7
    You know what, i think i have seen this in coffe in a mini store, it said it in the label, so i think there is such a thing.

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  9. Nov 11, 2006 #8
    Coffee is relatively high in potassium. It's one of the things that you have to cut out if you have defective kidneys, as having double the normal amount of potassium in your bloodstream is likely to make your heart stop. You can find more information than you are ever likely to want about the composition of foods at http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/Data/SR18/reports/sr18page.htm
     
  10. Oct 1, 2007 #9

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    potassium in coffe

    I just want to understand the prove of potassium in coffe where
    K2Na[Co(NO2)6] is the precipitate obtained
     
  11. Oct 1, 2007 #10

    ale

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    I just want to understand the prove of potassium in coffe where
    K2Na[Co(NO2)6] is the precipitate obtained
     
  12. Oct 1, 2007 #11

    It's easier than that.

    I am an environmental chemist. I spent years running an ICP-AES, an Inductively-Coupled Plasma---Atomic Emission Spectrometer. Basically, you fire up an argon plasma at 5000C or so, (not sure), squirt the solution into it and measure the light given off the metallic elements.

    ICP's are pretty tough. You could run the coffee straight into it if you wanted, although you'd probably have to clean it afterward. More than likely you'd dilute the coffee by a factor of around 1000 and run that because the potassium signal would be so high.

    Minimum Detection Limit for potassium by ICP is around 0.5 ppm. Which is about the highest MDL for routine elements by ICP. Potassium is a WEAK emitter.

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  13. Oct 2, 2007 #12

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    Viterbo's response is almost a year old... (11-10-2006) and SHAME on you for dissing potassium!
    Perhaps you could say that potassium is a 'special' emitter or that our 'crude' detectors fail to accurately show its sublime but beautiful brilliance?
     
  14. Oct 2, 2007 #13
    Didn't notice the dates.

    Hey! Can I help it if potassium is a wuss element?

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