# Is this possible?

1. Dec 7, 2006

### mrjoe2

A bugle is essentially a 2.65m pipe that is open at both ands. Determine the lowest frequency notes that can be played on a bugle.

Is this question possible? after using every equation learned to my knowledge, i could find no way to determine the frequency.

Thank you

remember the formulas v=f(lambda) Ln=nlambda/2 for open tube and v=331 +.59(T)

i found wavelength without a problem which turns out to be 5.3m, but how do i find frequency of this? is it possible?

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2. Dec 7, 2006

### Staff: Mentor

Start by finding the wavelength of the lowest frequency (which is the largest wavelength) standing wave that will fit into that pipe. Hint: Where are the nodes and antinodes?

Once you have the wavelength, use the relationship between speed, frequency, and wavelength to find the associated frequency. What's the speed of sound?

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3. Dec 7, 2006

### mrjoe2

but, my friend, we do not have a temperature for sound to find its true velocity, therefore insn't it impossible to find the true frequency?

we are not given the true velocity. yes i know it is 331m/s, but we are not given temperature to find the true frequency. the book has an answer of 64.9Hz if youd like to know

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4. Dec 7, 2006

### Kurdt

Staff Emeritus
With a question like this you can just assume normal room temperature in which case the speed of sound is 344m/s.

5. Dec 7, 2006

### Staff: Mentor

That's true. If you are not given enough information (such as temperature) to find an accurate speed of sound, then you must settle for a less accurate estimate of the frequency.

Edit: Kurdt has the right idea! Just assume standard room temperature, which is nominally ~ 22 C.

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