Can This Proof Verify the Existence of Integers m and n for Any Real Number x?

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In summary, In summary, the theorem states that for any arbitrary real number x, there exists integers m and n such that m<x<n. This is proven by showing that there is a greatest lower bound and a least upper bound for any nonempty set S that is bounded below and above, respectively. This is done by using the fact that for any nonempty set S with no maximum element, there exists an upper bound for S and a lower bound for the set of negatives of S. Then, by defining the set S as {n\in\mathbb Z|n<x}, it can be shown that m and n are integers that satisfy the conditions of the theorem.
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1. Question I 3.12 from Apostle's calculus volume 1
If x is an arbitrary real number, prove that there are integers m and n such that m<x<n




2. Theorem I.27:Every nonempty set S that is bounded below has a greatest lower bound; that is, there is a real number such that L= infS



3. Suppose x[itex]\in[/itex]R and belongs to a nonempty set S with no maximum element. It follows that ∃B[itex]\in[/itex]Z[itex]\stackrel{+}{}[/itex] such that B is an upper bound for S. Let n=B, then we have n>x. Similarly, let -S denote the set of negatives of numbers in S. Suppose that -B[itex]\in-Z[/itex][itex]\stackrel{+}{}[/itex] of -S, then by theorem I.27 -B is a lower bound of -S. Let m=-B. , such that m<x<n.
 
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Suppose x[itex]\in[/itex]R and belongs to a nonempty set S with no maximum element.
You have stated this as if you're making two assumptions about x. You should only make one: ##x\in\mathbb R##. If you need to use some other statement about x, you need to be able to prove that it follows from your one and only assumption about x.

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It follows that ∃B[itex]\in[/itex]Z[itex]\stackrel{+}{}[/itex] such that B is an upper bound for S.
It doesn't. Consider e.g. x=1 and S the set of integers (which doesn't have a maximum element).
 
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I thought an inductive set could have an upper bound but not a greatest upper bound / supremum because for every x in the set x+1 is also in the set?

and to fix my assumption issue could i do something along the lines of- Suppose S is a nonempty set of real numbers and suppose there is a number B such that x[itex]\leq[/itex]B so B could be an upper bound and then go an to show the lower bound as well equating m and n, the integers, as a subset of the real numbers?
 
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Physics2341313 said:
I thought an inductive set could have an upper bound but not a greatest upper bound / supremum because for every x in the set x+1 is also in the set?
The set of natural numbers is an inductive set, but it doesn't have an upper bound in ##\mathbb R##. This would contradict the result that you're trying to prove.

Physics2341313 said:
and to fix my assumption issue could i do something along the lines of- Suppose S is a nonempty set of real numbers and suppose there is a number B such that x[itex]\leq[/itex]B so B could be an upper bound and then go an to show the lower bound as well equating m and n, the integers, as a subset of the real numbers?
If you let S be an arbitrary non-empty subset of ##\mathbb R## and let B be an arbitrary real number such that ##x\leq B##, then what set would B be an upper bound of? Certainly not S. S is arbitrary, so we could have ##S=\{B+1\}##. B is an upper bound of {x}, but that's not very useful.

Edit: I'll give you a hint about one way to solve the problem. The set ##S=\{n\in\mathbb Z|n<x\}## is useful.
 
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