Is this right? - Rietdijk proof future determined, already past for distant observer

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is this right? - Rietdijk proof future determined, already "past"for distant observer

http://www.jstor.org/pss/186637 see details. I totally agree!
 
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Why silent? Hahahaaa... The question is beyond this forum.
 
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It's really a philosophical question. Relativity says that no frame can be physically preferred, but that doesn't totally rule out the idea that one frame's definition of simultaneity could be "true" in some metaphysical sense, though no experiment would ever tell us which frame this was. I don't believe that myself, but if someone does, they could say that the "metaphysically preferred" frame defines the true present, and that nothing in the future of this present is set yet.
 
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The Rietdijk proof is a well-known concept in physics and philosophy that suggests that the future is already determined and fixed, even though we may perceive it as uncertain. This idea is based on the concept of "block time," where past, present, and future all coexist in a four-dimensional block, and our perception of time passing is simply an illusion. The distant observer mentioned in the content refers to someone who is observing events from a faraway point in space, and according to the Rietdijk proof, they would see events in the future as already having happened. This concept has been debated and discussed by many scientists and philosophers, and while it may seem counterintuitive to our everyday experience of time, it has been supported by various experiments and observations in physics. So to answer the question, yes, the Rietdijk proof is a valid and well-supported idea in the scientific community.
 

1. What is the Rietdijk proof about the future being determined and the past being already set for a distant observer?

The Rietdijk proof, also known as the Rietdijk-Putnam argument, is a philosophical argument that suggests that the future is already determined and the past is already set for a distant observer. This means that events in the future have already been predetermined and events in the past cannot be changed, even for an observer who is far away from the events.

2. Who came up with the Rietdijk proof?

The Rietdijk proof was first proposed by Dutch mathematician and philosopher Jan Rietdijk in 1966. It was later popularized by American philosopher Hilary Putnam, who discussed and expanded upon Rietdijk's argument in his 1967 paper "Time and Physical Geometry".

3. How does the Rietdijk proof relate to determinism and free will?

The Rietdijk proof supports the concept of determinism, which is the belief that all events are predetermined and inevitable. It suggests that the future is already determined, and therefore, the idea of free will is an illusion. However, some philosophers argue that this does not necessarily negate the existence of free will, as the concept of "distant observer" is hypothetical and not applicable to real-life scenarios.

4. Is the Rietdijk proof widely accepted by scientists and philosophers?

The Rietdijk proof is a highly debated topic among scientists and philosophers. While some consider it to be a convincing argument, others have criticized its assumptions and implications. It is not a widely accepted theory and continues to be a subject of discussion and debate in the philosophical community.

5. How does the Rietdijk proof relate to the theory of relativity?

The Rietdijk proof is based on the concept of a "distant observer", which is a hypothetical observer who is far away from the events being observed. This idea is often associated with the theory of relativity, which states that the laws of physics should be the same for all observers, regardless of their relative motion. The Rietdijk proof uses this concept to argue that the future is already determined and the past is already set for a distant observer, as their perception of time may be different from that of an observer who is close to the events.

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