Is torture a game?

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That's the problem. We hold video games to a much stricter standard than movies. A double standard.

We celebrate extremely violent movies and vilify extremely violent games. We praise movies for having abrasive political scenes, but when games do the same thing, they're dismissed as meritless entertainment.

I agree that there is some double standard, but I don't think it's so black and white as you've made it seem. Violent movies often run into the same criticism that violent video games do. And I know I've seen video games praised for their content. I think that the double standard that exists is because video games are a much newer medium than movies are. I'd be willing to bet that movies ran into the same level of criticism when they first emerged.
 
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I don't watch television or movies and don't play computer games. I'm grossed out even reading this thread.
 
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I don't watch television or movies and don't play computer games. I'm grossed out even reading this thread.

Ever read a book with violence in it?
 
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I agree that there is some double standard, but I don't think it's so black and white as you've made it seem. Violent movies often run into the same criticism that violent video games do. And I know I've seen video games praised for their content. I think that the double standard that exists is because video games are a much newer medium than movies are. I'd be willing to bet that movies ran into the same level of criticism when they first emerged.

I agree. And it depends on the audience. Older people are more old fashioned in general, and younger people are more liberal with expression in general.

I guess what I'm against is the baby boomer generation hypocrisy. "My son's Grand Theft Auto is a terrible tragedy, but don't you dare criticize my Terminator"

Either be against violent expression or for it, but don't pick and choose based on cultural norms.
 
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I don't watch television or movies and don't play computer games. I'm grossed out even reading this thread.

A bit high-horse, much?
 
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For me, there is a wide gulf between reality and fiction and the realism of the media has no impact whatsoever on that gulf. I'm re-watching Game of Thrones in preparation for the upcoming new season and a few days ago I watched an episode where a woman gets burned to death in a funeral pyre. It isn't quite as graphic visually as the Jordanian pilot's burning, but there is a lot of screaming. It had no impact on me whatsoever. The Jordanian pilot video, on the other hand, caused me physical pain. It made me sick and gave me a headache I couldn't shake for the rest of the day. The knowledge that something is real or fake is everything here.

For that matter, a reality-based, but fictional movie like Saving Private Ryan has much more emotional impact than a pure fiction like District 9, even though the violence level is similar.
Wanted to second this. I've become emotional during movies before (the ending of American Sniper gets me every time), but when I see "real life" footage of something terrible happening to another person, I often become nauseous. Purely fictional movies do not get to me unless the situation hits really close to home.
 
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Wanted to second this. I've become emotional during movies before (the ending of American Sniper gets me every time), but when I see "real life" footage of something terrible happening to another person, I often become nauseous. Purely fictional movies do not get to me unless the situation hits really close to home.

Right. I can very easily look at the saw or hostel movies. Part of me even gets excited to watch these movies. But give me anything bad happening to a real person and I break down. It takes a very good movie maker to make me feel even remotely connected to suffering in a movie. Curiously, the same is not true for animals in movie. Do something bad to an animal in a movie or book and you already got to me.
 
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It seems that all we have here is anecdotes, opinions and studies with conflicting conclusions. Personally, torture porn makes me want to puke. I think much of pop entertainment is vile and destructive; especially the video games. But I am totally unwilling to push that view without better evidence.
 
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It seems that all we have here is anecdotes, opinions and studies with conflicting conclusions.

Indeed. It is very difficult to conclusively associate specific behaviors to a specific cause when it comes to social studies. There are simply too many factors and human behavior is too complicated. Something that affects one person a certain way may affect another person to a lesser extent or it may even affect them in a completely opposite manner.
 
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It seems that all we have here is anecdotes, opinions and studies with conflicting conclusions. .

Sounds a lot like life.
 

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