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Is TV becoming too pornographic?

  1. Nov 24, 2008 #1
    I was just watching comedy central, and on the commercial break was a girls gone wild ad. Then I switch to the american music awards, and the pussycat dolls were performing "when I grow up" each with their own stripper pole. I tend to not watch mtv and stuff now days, but when I do I notice a lot of overtly hardcore sexual themes directed at children.

    How do you feel about these types of things? I read that the pussycat dolls tried but got shut down trying to market a doll set at a target audience of 6-9 year olds. Should we be concerned about this new generation of role models?
     
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  3. Nov 24, 2008 #2
    Go to Europe. It will blow your mind.

    But I know where you are coming from. Exposing our children to the human body is very dangerous. We should keep all that a secret, then, they'll never find out.
     
  4. Nov 24, 2008 #3
    Showing a naked body, and having sexual content aimed at children are two entirely different things.
     
  5. Nov 24, 2008 #4
    I don't think nudity is harmful, it is more the attitude and behavior that seams a little over the top whorish and trashy. Kind of the opposite of what you would want to teach your own children in their best interest.
     
  6. Nov 24, 2008 #5
    I am by no means an uptight or prude person, but I just dont think objectifying women or targeting young kids with pretty advanced sexual themes is the same as simply exposing children to the human body.
     
  7. Nov 24, 2008 #6
    Plus parents have the option of not allowing young children to be watching MTV or Comedy Central.
    When my Grandkids are here, I really monitor what they can watch, and what they have access to with the computer.
     
  8. Nov 24, 2008 #7
    If you let your children watch MTV then you have nobody to blame but yourself.

    This isn't happening on the local news, this is happening on cable television, where you have parental codes and stuff. Or better yet, expose your kids to good music so they never even think about watching MTV.
     
  9. Nov 24, 2008 #8
    Yeah, but doesn't it suck to have to censor the american musical awards, or so you thing you can dance etc, from your children?

    here is the verse from one of the pussycat dolls song
    entitle watchamacallit

    "[Verse 1:]
    See the bag it match the boots, and the boots they match the hat
    So I pop the tag don't ask me where I bought that at girl
    (uh uh uh uh hoo)
    We can be up in the club in the spotlight catch us rocking the same 'fit
    (uh uh uh uh hoo)
    I got mine on Sunset strip from that hot spot from um whatchamacallit

    And don't be asking about my man, what he's holding in his pants
    Don't you give them tricks no info that's a no no baby
    (uh uh uh uh hoo)
    Next thing you know she wanna know what what he's holding in his wallet
    (uh uh uh uh hoo)
    How long he last, slow or fast, how big is his um whatchamacallit"

    Here is the lyrics to "when I grow up"

    When I Grow Up :
    [Intro: x2]
    Boys call you sexy (What's up, sexy)
    And you don't care what they say
    See, everytime you turn around
    They scream your name

    [Verse 1:]
    Now I've got a confession
    When I was young I wanted attention
    And I promised myself that I'd do anything
    Anything at all for them to notice me

    [Bridge:]
    But I ain't complaining
    We all wanna be famous
    So go ahead and say what you wanna say
    You know what it's like to be nameless
    Want them to know what your name is
    'Cause see when I was younger I would say

    [Chorus:]
    When I grow up
    I wanna be famous
    I wanna be a star
    I wanna be in movies

    When I grow up
    I wanna see the world
    Drive nice cars
    I wanna have groupies

    When I grow up
    Be on TV
    People know me
    Be on magazines

    When I grow up
    Fresh and clean
    Number one chick when I step out on the scene

    [Hook: x2]
    Be careful what you wish for 'cause you just might get it
    You just might get it
    You just might get it

    [Verse 2:]
    They used to tell me I was silly
    Until I popped up on the TV
    I always wanted to be a superstar
    And knew that singing songs would get me this far

    [Bridge:]
    But I ain't complaining
    We all wanna be famous
    So go ahead and say what you wanna say
    You know what it's like to be nameless
    Want them to know what your name is
    'Cause see, when I was younger I would say

    [Chorus:]
    When I grow up
    I wanna be famous
    I wanna be a star
    I wanna be in movies

    When I grow up
    I wanna see the world
    Drive nice cars
    I wanna have groupies

    When I grow up
    Be on TV
    People know me
    Be on magazines

    When I grow up
    Fresh and clean
    Number one chick when I step out on the scene

    [Hook: x2]
    Be careful what you wish for 'cause you just might get it
    You just might get it
    You just might get it

    [Verse 3:]
    I see them staring at me
    Oh I'm a trendsetter
    Yes this is true 'cause what I do, no one can do it better
    You can talk about me
    'Cause I'm a hot topic
    I see you watching me, watching me, and I know you want it
     
  10. Nov 24, 2008 #9
    I agree that MTV is not a program aimed at a target audience of young children. I don't see what cable television has to do with anything. I think the local stations and PBS should be able to have programs that include nudity (female only) and cursing.

    I havn't watched MTV in a few years. I saw it the other day and it's appaulingly bad. It was never that great, but it was OK. Now it is total mindless garbage. Also, MTV stopped playing music years ago. It's all junk reality shows.
     
  11. Nov 24, 2008 #10
    Do you honestly think that you can keep MTV a secret from your kids?
     
  12. Nov 24, 2008 #11
    The stars of the music industry are really the creation of the record companies. They don't write their own songs, or the music, they don't choose the outfits, or how they dance. Their material is the creation of a think tank of profiteers. What happened to the days when people looked up to musicians for who they were and they had a message of their own. What happened to real instruments and real people?
     
  13. Nov 24, 2008 #12
    I think maybe I am traumatized a little because my girlfriends neighbor who was about 40 and heavy and nasty, used to always play really loud hardcore explicit music and dress up in skimpy outfits, it works when you are young and attractive, but after that what do they amount to but unwanted garbage?
     
  14. Nov 24, 2008 #13
    I don't think it sucks to half to edit what your children are exposed to. Its called responsible parenting.
     
  15. Nov 24, 2008 #14
    And these girls are trying to sell dolls to 6-9 year olds.
    I'm pretty sure a censored version was performed on American Idol.
    I apologize if these lyrics are a little to explicit for PF.

    Lyrics to Don't Cha :
    (feat. Busta Rhymes)

    [Busta Rhymes]
    Ok (ahh)
    Yeahh (ahh)
    Oh, we about to get it just a lil hot and sweaty in this mu'f**** (oh, baby)
    Ladies let's go (uhh)
    Soldiers let's go (dolls)
    Let me talk to y'all and just you know
    Give you a little situation... listen (fellas)

    [Buster Rhymes]
    Pussycat Dolls
    Ya see this **** get hot
    Everytime I come through when I step up in the spot (are you ready)
    Make the place sizzle like a summertime cookout
    Prowl for the best chick
    Yes I'm on the lookout (lets dance)
    Slow bangin shorty like a belly dancer with it
    Smell good, pretty skin, so gangsta with it (oh, baby)
    No tricks only diamonds under my sleeve
    Gimme tha number
    But make sure you call before you leave

    [Pussycat Dolls]
    I know you like me (I know you like me)
    I know you do (I know you do)
    Thats why whenever I come around
    She's all over you (she's all over you)
    I know you want it (I know you want it)
    It's easy to see (it's easy to see)
    And in the back of your mind
    I know you should be f***ing me (babe)

    [Chorus:]
    Don't cha wish your girlfriend was hot like me?
    Don't cha wish your girlfriend was a freak like me?
    Don't cha
    Don't cha
    Don't cha wish your girlfriend was raw like me?
    Don't cha wish your girlfriend was fun like me?
    Don't cha
    Don't cha

    Fight the feeling (fight the feeling)
    Leave it alone (leave it alone)
    Cause if it ain't love
    It just aint enough to leave my happy home (my happy home)
    Let's keep it friendly (let's keep it friendly)
    You have to play fair (you have to play fair)
    See I dont care
    But I know She ain't gonna wanna share

    [Chorus:]
    Don't cha wish your girlfriend was hot like me?
    Don't cha wish your girlfriend was a freak like me?
    Don't cha
    Don't cha
    Don't cha wish your girlfriend was raw like me?
    Don't cha wish your girlfriend was fun like me?
    Don't cha
    Don't cha

    [Busta Rhymes]
    Ok, I see how it's goin' down (ahh, don't cha)
    Seems like shorty wanna little menage pop off or somethin, let's go
    Well let me get straight to it
    Every broad wan watch a nigga when I come through it
    It's the god almighty, lookin all brand new
    If shorty wanna jump in my *** then vanjewish
    Lookin at me all like she really wanna do it
    Tryna put it on me till my **** black an blueish
    Ya wanna play wit ah playa girl then play on
    Strip out the channel
    And leave the lingerie on
    Watch me and I'mma watch you at the same time
    Lookin at ya wan break my back
    You the very reason why I keep a pack ah the Magnum
    An wit the wagon hit chu in the back of tha magnum
    For the record, don't think it was somethin you did
    Shorty all on me cuz it's hard to resist the kid
    I got a idea that's dope for y'all
    As y'all could get so I could hit the both of y'all

    [Pussycat Dolls]
    I know she loves you (I know she loves you)
    So I understand (I understand)
    I'd probably be just as crazy about you
    If you were my own man
    Maybe next lifetime (maybe next lifetime)
    Possibly (possibly)
    Until then old friend
    Your secret is safe with me

    [Chorus:]
    Don't cha wish your girlfriend was hot like me?
    Don't cha wish your girlfriend was a freak like me?
    Don't cha
    Don't cha
    Don't cha wish your girlfriend was raw like me?
    Don't cha wish your girlfriend was fun like me?
    Don't cha
    Don't cha
     
  16. Nov 24, 2008 #15

    tgt

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    In the commercial world, the two are intricately interlinked.
     
  17. Nov 24, 2008 #16
    It is funny, because I am noticing that most popular "artists" now says sing primarily about money, even the sexual themes are mostly money themed. What is interesting is that these people don't write the songs. In fact for many, each song on an album is created by a different writer and producer.

    One of two things or both are happening, either these writers really have an obsession with money, it helps them get laid. Or they are promoting spending and wanting of money to fuel the "economy". It is sad though that a pretty girl has to go up on stage and sing some song that a dirty old man wrote so they can get paid.

    I mean come on, we already have plenty of porn to get off on. Do we really need to replace our music with more of it.
     
  18. Nov 24, 2008 #17

    russ_watters

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    So..... is this all new? Was music not sexually suggestive 20, 40, 60 years ago? And how 'bout the drugs? koo koo ka choo!

    America is a country of extremes. On one end is parents who let their kids do anything and they get kids who have kids at 16 (or 14!) and never finish high school. On the other end, you have parents who try to shelter their kids from experiencing anything and what they end up with is kids who die of alcohol poisoning in college or end up in jail or with multiple STDs because they go from complete parental control to a complete lack of parental control.

    What is needed is parental involvement, not wrapping the kids in a plastic bubble until they turn 18.

    [edit] Now I do think there are limits: Rock music has always been about sex and drugs. Rap takes a different tone and adds in crime. Drugs and cime, I have a problem with. Sex is just biology and is something that needs to be dealt with one way or another. Kids are going to hit puberty and start figuring out what those things between their legs are for whether they have MTV or not.
     
    Last edited: Nov 24, 2008
  19. Nov 24, 2008 #18

    neu

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  20. Nov 24, 2008 #19
    The average 12 year old now has a television in their bedroom. Mom is at work and dad is in the living room watching something on HBO.

    We are not in a steady state. Values are constantly changing. Take the show Dancing With The Stars. Twenty years ago that much skin would never have been allowed on prime time television.

    Forty years ago the mom and dad actors in sitcoms could not be in the same bed.

    We used to have Sing Along With Mitch and follow the bouncing ball. Now it is follow the bouncing boobs.

    Television has become the baby sitter for millions of kids.

    Britney Spears at Disney Concert. Luckily she turned out to be a wholesome example for ten year olds. NOT

     
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  21. Nov 24, 2008 #20

    Office_Shredder

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    How is that NOT entirely the parent's fault if their kid does?
     
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