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I war right? Please post explaination.
Well, I dunno - WWII solved the Hitler problem pretty decisively.olde drunk said:historically, war has never proved to be a legitimate, long term solution to any problem.
Yeah, I'd see this similarly ... one is entitled to fight for existence defensively, but that is as far as it goes, all other scenarios have other options making war unjust.Winston Churchill once said the only just war is a war of deffence.
Esnas said:In most cases war is not right. On the other hand, there would have to be an entirely different kind of human consciousness to deal with the conditions that lead to wars. There would have to be a new kind of perception and sensitivity on a very subtle level (for a significant portion of humanity).
Some would say the best defence is a strong offence, allthough in the end noone'll ever know for sure if this were nessesary.Justinius said:anyone tell me how America is being defended by his invasion/overtaking of Iraq?
You're right, Marlon ... I can't help my intrinsic desire to be a pacifist, and aggression makes me sad and tired ... but what to do when others impose themselves on us? I myself tend towards introspective ruminating, which just leaves me as their victim ... I empathise with Hamlet, for instance, where his philosophical, introspective ruminating led to his inability to act. Sometimes we do indeed need to act against aggressors and persecutors. But does that mean we've sunk to their level?marlon said:The problem is that you cannot argue with such individuals in a decent rational manner and therefore diplomacy will never work on these guys. Only war remains an option. Besides, we are better off without them...The problem with the world is that intelligent people think too much sometimes and are therefore quite uncertain. It is the dumb, extremist, individuals that are always so damn certain of themselves and their "convictions"
"Right"..... Right on. Right is cliche per se(with the apostraphy or whatever [SIDE DISCUSSION: does it matter that I spell a word wrong if you can understand it?????----> is language a math or art or neither?])Moore1879 said:I war right? Please post explaination.
Sorry but, what is your point ???pikapika! said:"It is the dumb, extremist, individuals that are always so damn certain of themselves and their "convictions" "
-marlon, I have to object to your way of thinking. It puts lables on things that cannot have labels on. Its very subjective.
I completely disagree with these words. What the "idea" is is if no relevance what so ever. It is the interpretation and implementation in everyday life that matters. It is the actions that are taking that matter. Once again i repeat my point because you donnot seem to get it. Many people and certainly the ones i mentioned in my previous post will undertake actions without making any kind of justification for it. Maybe they have their own views on this but that is irrelevant. Only their way of working (taking actions with just because they need to be taken...) is what matters.PerennialII said:"Another" point would be that by solely making the classification, one could see you falling within a similar group. The subjectivity of it is that the classification depends highly on who makes it, and after that, who is to decide which view is the "right" one (which likely is unattainable to begin with). When making choices you usually don't have the luxury of waiting tens of years and having historical perspective as your aid.