# News Israel steps up strikes

1. Jul 13, 2006

### EL

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13532571,00.html [Broken]
What will this lead to? Are we heading for a full scale war?

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2. Jul 13, 2006

### Greg Bernhardt

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/07/13/D8IR6J401.html [Broken]

Hello WW3

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3. Jul 13, 2006

### Astronuc

Staff Emeritus
That would be consistent with Hezbollah - they apparently receive support from Iran.

I am not sure about WWIII, but it will certainly escalate hostilities in the region.

4. Jul 13, 2006

### Gokul43201

Staff Emeritus
Oh crap!

5. Jul 13, 2006

### MeJennifer

Will escalate?
So the attack from Israel is not an escalated hostility to you?

6. Jul 13, 2006

### Rach3

Deja vu all over again. Nothing new.

On topic, does anyone know what the UN military is doing in all this? Supposedly they have 2,000 peace warriors along the (very narrow) Israeli-Lebanese border, yet there's nothing in the news about what it is they do exactly. I don't think they have a specific mandate for this event?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNIFIL

7. Jul 13, 2006

### siddharth

True. Here's a Timeline which describes the conflict
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/country_profiles/819200.stm" [Broken]

I don't know if they have a mandate for this either. Currently, they are assessing the situation.
(from http://www.irinnews.org/report.asp?ReportID=54594&SelectRegion=Middle_East&SelectCountry=LEBANON")

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8. Jul 13, 2006

### devious_

"The soldiers need to be returned." - Bush

What about the 10,000 Arab prisoners, including Palestinian officials, held by Israel?

9. Jul 13, 2006

### Staff: Mentor

Were they kidnapped? If not, then it's not a valid comparison.

10. Jul 13, 2006

### devious_

In most cases it is a perfectly legitimate comparison: <insert IDF or Hezbollah> storms in, overpowers, and imprisons.

11. Jul 13, 2006

### George Jones

Staff Emeritus
Most certainly some of them were.

The Palestinian raid that produced the initial kidnapping was motivated at least partially by recent incidents in which Israelis killed Palestinian civilians.

Palestianians kill Israeli civilians. Israelis kill Palestinian civilians. Israelis kidnap Palestinians. Palestinians kidnap Israelis.

And, http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,605798,00.html" [Broken], they are the same people.

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12. Jul 13, 2006

### Staff: Mentor

Yeah, but you don't kidnap Israeli soldiers. I don't see Israel backing down on this. I think they're all a bit crazy over there. It's frightening.

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13. Jul 13, 2006

### Astronuc

Staff Emeritus
Umm, yes the attack by Israel on Hezbollah is an escalation, as is the attack by Israel on the airports. I did not say anything to the contrary.

AFAIK, Israel only attacked because two of its soldiers were kidnapped, otherwise Israel would not be attacking the territory of Lebanon. Israel for the most part attacks when its territory or people are attacked by gunfire, bombs, rockets, . . .

I was thinking of the potential for other parties, e.g. Syria or Iran to get invovled. I think Jordan and Egyptian governments would not wish to be involved, but there will be enormous pressure from various factions in those countries to become invovled. This will certainly help al Qaida to recruit more members.

14. Jul 13, 2006

### MeJennifer

I see.

So do you consider that a hostility while Israel is simply defending itself?

15. Jul 13, 2006

### George Jones

Staff Emeritus
I agree.

I had hoped that something would be worked out with respect to first kidnapped soldier, but with the players that the latest kidnappings bring onto the pitch, I have no idea where this is going.

16. Jul 13, 2006

### Skyhunter

It was just a feeling but when I heard of this yesterday I got the feeling that this could be the straw that breaks the camels back.

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17. Jul 13, 2006

### Astronuc

Staff Emeritus
Apparently you don't - you keep misinterpreting my statements - apparently deliberately, which could be construed as hostile.

Do I consider what a hostility?

Certainly kidnapping is a hostile act. Shooting and firing rockets at people is a hostile act, when it is not in self-defense.

Do I necessarily agree with Israel's position? No, not entirely.

Do I believe that Israel has the right to defend itself? Certainly, as does any other people.

Do I believe that the Palestinians have the right of self-determination, as well as the right to have their own state? Certainly.

I think Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, and a host of other organizations need to renounce violence and stop attacking Israel. I think Israel should show more restraint in certain cases.

18. Jul 13, 2006

### Rach3

First kidnapping was by militants associated with Hamas (Palestinian group), the new one was carried out by Hezbollah (Lebanese). Hezbollah is strongly affiliated with Iran (wiki), which makes this conflict very interesting.

19. Jul 13, 2006

### Rach3

Here's an interesting bit of analysis:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1107AP_Lebanon_Mood.html [Broken]

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20. Jul 13, 2006

### Rach3

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21. Jul 13, 2006

### Manchot

22. Jul 13, 2006

### Rach3

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23. Jul 13, 2006

### Staff: Mentor

"The European Union called Israel's attacks on Lebanon “disproportionate." Of course it is disproportionate. It's crazy. But everything every country does over there seems disproportionate. Is it never going to end? Is it impossible for these people to be rational?

A friend of mine has a PHD in Computer Science and lives in Manhattan, he's Israeli. His family is there and he can't go back with this going on. It's not the people, it's the government.

24. Jul 13, 2006

### Skyhunter

Nice to see that as usual, the Bush administration is on top....er...uh...aware of the crisis.

Why do I get the feeling that America has lost it's edge as a world leader?

What is the administration so focused on that they seem to ignore everything not part of their agenda until it reaches crisis stage.

God I hope the midterms result in subpoena power so that we can at least find out what they are doing that is so important.

25. Jul 13, 2006

### Astronuc

Staff Emeritus
from link posted by Manchot. Hilary Clinton was blasting the Bush administration over the lack of attention to Israel and the ME.

Bush is blaming Syria, and Rice is blaming Iran.

There won't be a WWIII out this. The powers that be have a vested interest in maintaining economic stability.

The US trade deficit increased by more than $63 billion in May, the sixth-largest trade deficit in history, for an annual rate of about$760 billion dollars. High oil prices had an impact.