Israeli shooting

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Oh yah i saw this a few hours ago. Another report said the guy went insane and started shooting people before commiting suicide.
 
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Peace has a chance to work here and we can see it now but not everyone wants it on both sides it's really very sad.
 
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Well CNN and MSNBC both said he was killed. I imagine he was trying to take out as many Arabs as he could before being taken out and you see a gigantic mob.
 
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Well it wont be hard to figure out. Just pull the bullet out of his brain lol. Or well, if theres more then 1 bullet, he was killed. If there was just one in the head, probably did it himself.
 
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Would Sharon condemn this attack if this person kill some Palestinian? I'm even in doubt if he would reffer to this person as a terrorist in that situation!
 
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Good question! Technically he ought to call it terrorism and you think he would because they were Israili people killed here but pallestinians maybe because it wasn't a routine shooting of the Israili army but a guy gone AWOL then nuts so this one is an easy call! What would he call any shootings of palestinians justified or not?

I edited this like 5 times already!
 
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Mental Gridlock said:
Good question! Technically he ought to call it terrorism and you think he would because they were Israili people killed here but pallestinians maybe because it wasn't a routine shooting of the Israili army but a guy gone AWOL then nuts so this one is an easy call! What would he call any shootings of palestinians justified or not?
Oh yeah! He even reffer to him as a "bloodthirsty Jewish terrorist". My information about Israel is very little. But I want to know if all Jewish who lives in Israel are Zionists!
 
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Mental Gridlock said:
He was trying to kill all the Arabs he could not himself I think you saw a different story.
Must have been one of those early report errors. I dont think there were any other israeli psychos blasting off civilians in the last few days.
 
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Lisa! said:
But I want to know if all Jewish who lives in Israel are Zionists!
Yes, just like all Americans are red necks and Europeans are devil worshippers :devil:

P.S. That means no there not
 
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Mental Gridlock said:
Good question! Technically he ought to call it terrorism and you think he would because they were Israili people killed here but pallestinians maybe because it wasn't a routine shooting of the Israili army but a guy gone AWOL then nuts so this one is an easy call! What would he call any shootings of palestinians justified or not?

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And it still doesn't make any sense
 
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Lisa! said:
Oh yeah! He even reffer to him as a "bloodthirsty Jewish terrorist". My information about Israel is very little. But I want to know if all Jewish who lives in Israel are Zionists!
Almost all Jews in Israel are Zionists. What would we be doing here otherwise?
 
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I was wondering the same thing, why would you live in israel if you weren't a zionist!? jewish or not.
 
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I was wondering the same thing, why would you live in israel if you weren't a zionist!? jewish or not.
There's few non-Jewish Zionists living in Israel. I suppose most Israeli Arabs do not consider themselves Zionists but I haven't researched that matter. The shooting being discussed occured in a Druze neighbourhood. The Druze have always been outstanding citizens and I suppose they consider themselves Zionists (with the exception of the Druze of the Golan Heights), which makes this action even more incomprehensible.
 
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I thought zionists were more hten just people who want an israeli state. Everyone makes it sound so evil... even though it sounds like its just like calling someone german or a californian or a human...
 
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Calling all zionists evil is like calling all Germans in ww2 Evil. In both cases it's mainly the extremists and the government doing the real harm. The people's only crime is that of inaction to stop it.
 
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Calling all zionists evil is like calling all Germans in ww2 Evil.
I wouldn't make that comparison...
 
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why not? ..........
 
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Smurf said:
why not? ..........
Because there's a few major differences between the actions of Nazi Germany (primarily the attempted industrialised extermination of various innocent groups) and that of Israel (occupation of territory as another chapter in a continuing conflict).

Continuing on the topic of this thread, the Mayor of Rishon-Leziyon, where the murderer lived until a few months ago and where his family resides today, has refused to allow his burial in the municipality. The Defence minister has also disallowed a military burial, meaning the body will not be buried in the military section of whatever cemetery it will be buried in. The body will apparently be buried in the settlement of Tapuach, where the murderer resided for the past few months.
There are several protests around Shphar'am held by Jewish Israelis to show solidarity with the victims and the Arab communities.

[Added:] It now seems the secreteriate of Tapuach are unwilling to allow his burial there either. I do not know on what grounds they can refuse it, as the Mayor of Rishon Leziyon denied it on the grounds that the murderer was listed in the MoI as a resident of Tapuach and should be buried there.

[Added:] Source: Ha'aretz
 
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It was sad news to hear, very sorry for the people who are victims. I hope people remain calm, and continue to work tward peace.
 
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Almost all Jews in Israel are Zionists. What would we be doing here otherwise?
Well it's a bit starnge for me that Sharon emphasize on this person's religion.
Perhaps it's just my opinion. I can't explain more now.
 
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There's few non-Jewish Zionists living in Israel. I suppose most Israeli Arabs do not consider themselves Zionists but I haven't researched that matter.
Perhaps they do not agree with what zionists are doing. You know they're Arabs and Palestinians are Arab too. They had lived in peace before zionists came there and now they don't. They and Palestinians are Arabs anyway.
Anyway by what you said about Israeli Arabs, I suspect Sharon has emphasized on Jewish purposely!

Could you please explain more about zionism? I mean how different is from Judaism!
Sorry to ask this question. I know you lost some of your countrymates in the attack but it's been my question for a long time!
 
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Simply put, Judaism is the religion and Zionism is the desire to set up a Jewish state in Israel (a nationalist, not religious movement). Being Jewish doesn't automatically make you Zionist any more than being Christian makes you want to move to Vatican City.
 
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But there must be another differences. Zionists say they want to set up a Jewish state in Israel because somehow it's their religious duty.(please correct my mistake if I'm wrong about that) So I can't understand why all Jews don't suppport them!
 

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