Jeremiah Wright: Why does Mr. Obama support him?

[mheslep]

And the difference between being informed by your pastor about socio-political views as opposed to the contents of your religious text is obvious.

It is obvious in both cases there is no real evidence that the Sen. embraces either Wrights views or a literal interpretation of the bible. In the later case you know Obama's "swallowing all the hokey angels and talking snakes nonsense" since, why? He's a monotheist? He went to church? He read the bible? No, its just an assumption, a package deal.

It may be that he does, but it's the Church of God, not the Church of Love.

To my mind in the Christian church they are supposed to be the same thing.

 

[Gokul43201]

It is obvious in both cases there is no real evidence that the Sen. embraces either Wrights views or a literal interpretation of the bible.

There is definitely evidence in his speeches to support my fear that he accepts a literal enough interpretation to trouble me. I only hope that he's been forced to up the ante on the Jesus-talk because of the rumors that he's a Muslim, and boy what a terrible thing that would be!

To my mind in the Christian church they are supposed to be the same thing.

I wish they were, but I've been to church and that was hardly the impression I got.

 

[Gokul43201]

I'm going to excuse myself from this specific discussion here - I'm not very good at talking about religious topics with the constraints we have against such discussion, and I'd rather desist than get myself banned.

 

[mheslep]

I'm going to excuse myself from this specific discussion here - I'm not very good at talking about religious topics with the constraints we have against such discussion, and I'd rather desist than get myself banned.

Probably wise advise for me too.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Heh, I find this all rather amusing, actually. I am quite sure that many of you would find the beliefs of all three candidates to be unacceptable.

 

[hserse]

Yes, I assumed you've spent sometime (5 second I assumed) googling in regards Wright's comments concerning AIDS and black. In his style and tone, of course, it may seem far worst than it really was; however, the underlining truth still exists (no matter how proportionally small it may have been). Statically speaking, when you have articles, testimony, ect.. written in regards to such subject, there's alway some bit (if not all) truth to it.
By the way, did you know John McCain killed several crewmember during his time as a Navy pilot and destroyed aircraft carrier called the Forrestal.

"Yes, because the guys a NUT." - Apparently you are a prejudice person.
Note: I not saying you are bad person or racist, but rather meaning you are judging someone before getting to know that person.

"You watch hannity and friends and take them seriously?" I'm a fairly opened minded person, I watched them once in awhile. I don't take them seriously; however, you have to admit they seriously in tune with many voters mentality.

 

[Cyrus]

Yes, I assumed you've spent sometime (5 second I assumed) googling in regards Wright's comments concerning AIDS and black. In his style and tone, of course, it may seem far worst than it really was; however, the underlining truth still exists (no matter how proportionally small it may have been). Statically speaking, when you have articles, testimony, ect.. written in regards to such subject, there's alway some bit (if not all) truth to it.

Some truth to WHAT!? Just because some fool goes on tv and says something. Uh-uh, I don't think so. That ant going to fly. Claiming the government made and gave AIDS to poor people is so far out there I expect GOOD SOLID evidence to back it up.

By the way, did you know John McCain killed several crewmember during his time as a Navy pilot and destroyed aircraft carrier called the Forrestal.

Did he really? Hahhaa, first time I've heard of that. Id like to know more though. What he do, crash land into it and it caught on fire?

"Yes, because the guys a NUT." - Apparently you are a prejudice person.
Note: I not saying you are bad person or racist, but rather meaning you are judging someone before getting to know that person.

No, I heard his speech, and I came to the conclusion that he's an idiot. Its as simple as that.

"You watch hannity and friends and take them seriously?" I'm a fairly opened minded person, I watched them once in awhile. I don't take them seriously; however, you have to admit they seriously in tune with many voters mentality.

Dont be so open minded your brains fall out in the process. Yeah, and those people are also in the same short bus as Wright.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

TUSKEGEE SYPHILIS STUDY

...The rural setting of Tuskegee - a deprived socioeconomic status,high rates of illiteracy and especially a paucity of medical care - were exploited by the investigators of the syphilis study who led the poor sharecroppers to believe they were being treated for "bad blood," a euphemism for syphilis. The study, which lasted for 40 years included only sporadic clinical reexaminations when a Public Health physician came to Tuskegee and denied the individuals any form of anti-syphilitic therapy. In fact, in 1942 when it was brought to the attention of the then Assistant Surgeon General, Vonderlehr that some of the syphilitic subjects were being called for examination prior to induction into the Armed Forces and were being directed to undergo treatment systematic steps were taken to preserve the investigation. To prevent the draftees from receiving anti-syphilitic treatment, the investigators provided the Macon County Selective Service Board with a list of 256 names of men under the age of 45 years who were to be excluded from the list of draftees needing treatment. The Board agreed to exclude these men. Furthermore, when the modern-era of anti-syphilitc therapy began in 1943 with the introduction of penicillin as an effective drug, the Public Health Service did not use the drug on the Tuskegee participants unless they asked for it. The rationale published by the investigators for their decision regarding the lack of treatment provided to the infected "Negro" population was,

"...Such individuals seemed to offer an unusual opportunity to study the untreated syphilitic patients from the beginning of the disease to the death of the infected person. An opportunity was also offered to compare the syphilitc process uninfluenced by modern treatment, with the results attained when treatment had been given."(6)

By the time the study was exposed in 1972, and ended on November 16th of the same year, 28 men had died of syphilis, 100 others were dead due to syphilis related complications, at least 40 wives had been infected and 19 children had contracted the disease at birth. [continued]

http://www.brown.edu/Courses/Bio_160/Projects2000/Ethics/TUSKEGEESYPHILISSTUDY.html

 

[Cyrus]

http://www.brown.edu/Courses/Bio_160/Projects2000/Ethics/TUSKEGEESYPHILISSTUDY.html

I wasnt aware Syphilis is also known as AIDS.

I ask for proof of one thing, and you show me something completely different.


My friend made your exact argument yesterday, and I told him the same thing. Whats this got to do with Wrights claim about AIDS?

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Who said that I was talking to you?

Wright referenced Tuskegee, so for that reason alone it applies. But more than that, it is one reason why Wright and others might believe that such things as the AIDS claims are possible.

 

[Cyrus]

Who said that I was talking to you?

Wright referenced Tuskegee, so for that reason alone it applies. But more than that, it is one reason why Wright and others might believe that such things as the AIDS claims are possible.

Oh, I thought you were posting that in response to me -apologies.

His argument is desparate. He also says things like 'God Damn America'. He is welcome to leave.

We need uniters, not dividers. Wright is a divider. We need a decider.

All he's doing is pandering to black people stuck between a rock and a hard place by trying to relate to them. He's full of it. He said crap like, "I know many of you want to know more about me because I am controversial. Well, you can find out all you want abotu me in my new book, that's coming out soon..."


That mans a scumbag who profits off of others hardships.

 

[W3pcq]

I don't blame Wright for his anti-americanism, he probably has good reasons to be. The main problem I have is the way that he is also anti-white in general no matter what country your from. Now I will probably be accused of being anti(anti-white). I'm actually just more anti-racist in general. It isn't right to blame things on a color of skin.

 

[Cyrus]

I don't blame Wright for his anti-americanism, he probably has good reasons to be. The main problem I have is the way that he is also anti-white in general no matter what country your from. Now I will probably be accused of being anti(anti-white). I'm actually just more anti-racist in general. It isn't right to blame things on a color of skin.

Sure you can blame him. If he hates it here so much, he can go back to Africa.

 

[edward]

Sure you can blame him. If he hates it here so much, he can go back to Africa.

I don't think that they would have him.

Fox news is still harping on the guy and probably will be until something else they can sensationalize comes up.

 

[W3pcq]

Well at least we have good reason to believe that Wright isn't in kahoots with Obama.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

His argument is desparate. He also says things like 'God Damn America'. He is welcome to leave.

Is that how democracy works now; dissenters are asked to leave? Was he born in Africa, or are you saying that as a US citizen he is not allowed to be angry?

 

[Cyrus]

Is that how democracy works now; dissenters are asked to leave? Was he born in Africa, or are you saying that as a US citizen he is not allowed to be angry?

Hes not a dissenter, he's just pandering to blacks. Hes giving them reason to blame white people for all their problems. He sounds a lot like the people he complains about. The KKK blame black people for their problems, he's doing the opposite.

 

[Art]

Hes not a dissenter, he's just pandering to blacks. Hes giving them reason to blame white people for all their problems. He sounds a lot like the people he complains about. The KKK blame black people for their problems, he's doing the opposite.

So you are equating the justifiable anger of a victim with the irrational hate filled rage of the victim's attacker. Nice one Cyrus.

 

[TVP45]

Grad school

What department?

 

[russ_watters]

This thread is running away, but I did skim and get this:

Anyway, what I think is more worthy of consideration is that Obama joined the Trinity Church 20 years ago because that was the smart thing to do, to climb the Chicago political ladder.

Absolutely. Obama is a career politician and career politicians tend to make personal life choices based on the political ramifications. But (and I'm not saying you implied this) the fact that politicians don't always act based on their real beliefs cannot be an excuse for unpopular actions and poorly chosen actions cannot be excused because they were done mostly for political opportunism. Politicians want the door to swing both ways and some are masters at it. For me, the door swings neither way - or rather, it'll hit them in both directions.

 

[Gokul43201]

He also says things like 'God Damn America'. He is welcome to leave.

I don't completely understand the association of anti-patriotism or treason with words condemning America...such as those above, or these: "And I come by here to say that America too is going to Hell, if we don't use her wealth. If America does not use her vast resources of wealth to end poverty, to make it possible for all of God's children to have the basic necessities of life, she too will go to Hell."

Are these words really unpatriotic? Can someone explain why?

 

[Integral]

Can we put this thread to rest now? http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/Politics/story?id=4754376&page=1"

 

[Ivan Seeking]

I don't completely understand the association of anti-patriotism or treason with words condemning America...such as those above, or these: "And I come by here to say that America too is going to Hell, if we don't use her wealth. If America does not use her vast resources of wealth to end poverty, to make it possible for all of God's children to have the basic necessities of life, she too will go to Hell."

Are these words really unpatriotic? Can someone explain why?

Because it makes for great sound bites for the Rush crowd?

 

[Evo]

I think this has been beaten to death. Unless something really new comes up, I'm locking this for now.