Jessica Watson's homecoming

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I am not sure if her amazing solo sail around the world has been discussed here on PF before. She is a lovely sweet girl who is back home now after circumnavigating the globe alone. At her reception at the Sydney's harbor, She objects to the Australian Prime Minister for calling her a 'hero'!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yapmL5xJfHU&feature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE1SgS767WY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c59VxItEUio&feature=related

http://www.jessicawatson.com.au/about-jessica
 

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No way in hell would I let my daughter sail around the world alone. Her parents are out of her mind. The sea is an incredibly dangerous place, not for an inexperienced young girl. Even experienced boat pilots can easily get killed.
 
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This is a pretty new fad apparently and will only end when one of these kids gets killed.
 
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was she ever truly alone, or did she have escorts ?
 
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was she ever truly alone, or did she have escorts ?
I kinda have the same question as in her You tube video diaries she often uses the term "We" as opposed to"I"?
 
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No way in hell would I let my daughter sail around the world alone. Her parents are out of her mind. The sea is an incredibly dangerous place, not for an inexperienced young girl. Even experienced boat pilots can easily get killed.
She failed at her goal of circumnavigating the world.
 
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This was stupid, stupid, stupid.

She failed at her goal of circumnavigating the world.
On her website, it says "...Throughout her journey, Jessica's progress has been closely and accurately monitored by family, support crew and rescue authorities around the world using TracPlus (www.tracplus.com)"
http://www.jessicawatson.com.au/the-voyage
 
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I am not sure if her amazing solo sail around the world has been discussed here on PF before. She is a lovely sweet girl who is back home now after circumnavigating the globe alone. At her reception at the Sydney's harbor, She objects to the Australian Prime Minister for calling her a 'hero'!
I don't think I understand the "hero" angle.
 
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She failed. Also she was surrounded by support boats, so did not sail alone.

And it was incredibly stupid.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/Interna...may-be-denied-recognition/UPI-49981273103163/
Well, considering her young age, inexperience and a journey fraught with danger, The wiki Pedia mentions she had had over 10,000 nautical miles training/experience. However that doesn't mean a teenager her age should dare to cross the treacherous oceans on her own. Since it's clear to me that she has been escorted or closely followed by rescue teams, I find it unfair to call her or her parents 'stupid'. Yes, that would have been stupid if she was left all alone...!

And SHE DID NOT Fail as she traveled over 19,631 nm! though the World Sailing Speed Record Council (WSSRC) only recognizes a minimum distance of 21,600 nm and 18 years of age for the competitor, so such an accomplishment is not equal to 'fail'!

Speaking of 'stupid', I have seen many stupid dangerous acts in the supposedly funny vidoes on AFV, so doing stupid things is pretty much the norm in America:smile:
 
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I don't think I understand the "hero" angle.
Yeah, I wouldn't call her a 'hero' or anything like that because actually I never believe in the notion of a 'hero' whatsoever. But it's good to hear she objects to the PM's remark.
 
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She failed. Also she was surrounded by support boats, so did not sail alone.
Actually, she did not fail at meeting the criteria for unaided solo circumnavigation because of not being "alone", but because of mileage logged (at least if you go by WSSRC rules). Irrespective, it's a tremendous feat.

Bob Fisher said:
True, Jessica has sailed alone and unassisted, passed under the four required capes, but the orthodromic route she has taken does not total the necessary 21,600 miles that is equivalent of the girth of the Earth at the equator.
http://www.sail-world.com/USA/Lies,-Damn-Lies,-and-PR-Spin/69252
 
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Actually, she did not fail at meeting the criteria for unaided solo circumnavigation because of not being "alone", but because of mileage logged (at least if you go by WSSRC rules).
That's exactly what I said "She failed. Also she was surrounded by support boats". Then I gave the link showing why she failed.

This is a fad right now where teens are trying to get the "youngest to sail around the world" recognition. The Dutch courts recently prevented a young girl from making an attempt.

And Desiree, you're correct, lots of kids get injured and killed from stupid stunts, but they aren't encouraged by news coverage and praise from adults for doing it.
 
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Evo, would you quantify "surrounded by support boats"? (By the way, I've seen the route she took, she succeeded in sailing "around the planet". Odd that you call it a failure based on the rules of some organisation which has discontinued that record category and anyway would have discriminated against her on the basis of age.)

Why the hate? So many billions of people in the world, and you think it stupid that a negligibly tiny handful of the very best resourced/financed choose to try something inspirational? Better to imprison everyone in cotton wool so they encounter no adversity until the moment they turn, what is the arbitrary age of legal adulthood in your particular country, 21? That's sure to contribute to developing the kind of society we would want to live in..
 
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...she was surrounded by support boats, so did not sail alone.
I wish to dispute this definition of sailing alone.

Did she receive assistance from these support boats, or did they simply monitor her?
And it was incredibly stupid.
And how, if she was surrounded by support boats, was it stupid? The worst that could have happened is the same thing that could have happened on any ocean-going sailing trip. Or do you think she should not sail at all?
 
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Evo, would you quantify "surrounded by support boats"? (By the way, I've seen the route she took, she succeeded in sailing "around the planet". Odd that you call it a failure based on the rules of some organisation which has discontinued that record category and anyway would have discriminated against her on the basis of age.)

Why the hate? So many billions of people in the world, and you think it stupid that a negligibly tiny handful of the very best resourced/financed choose to try something inspirational? Better to imprison everyone in cotton wool so they encounter no adversity until the moment they turn, what is the arbitrary age of legal adulthood in your particular country, 21? That's sure to contribute to developing the kind of society we would want to live in..
If you knew the background, you'd know she was trying to beat an 18 year old male that had successfully met the criteria. She failed. That's not my decision, but the decision of the organisation who's record she wished to obtain.
 
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I wish to dispute this definition of sailing alone.

Did she receive assistance from these support boats, or did they simply monitor her?
Yes. Their presence is assistance. Even if she never recieves any assistance of any kind (difficult to believe) from the support boats, their presence absolutely changes the equation. The danger inherrent in the attempt is part and parcel of what makes it a challenge. Ie, you can take risks you wouldn't otherwise take if you know you have a safety net.....which makes a good literal example of the same thing: I'd certainly try tightrope walking...but not without a net.
 
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Why the hate?
Parents who selfishly risk their own kids' lives irritate me.
 
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And SHE DID NOT Fail as she traveled over 19,631 nm! though the World Sailing Speed Record Council (WSSRC) only recognizes a minimum distance of 21,600 nm and 18 years of age for the competitor, so such an accomplishment is not equal to 'fail'!
What is your criteria for success? The title of her website is "youngest person to sail solo and unassisted around the world"....so who gets to set the criteria for that? Does she set her own criteria?

The only way to judge success or failure is to set well-defined and publicly recognized criteria and see if she met it or didn't. Since her website references the record holder Evo referrs to, it would seem that that would be the criteria.
 
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Parents who selfishly risk their own kids' lives irritate me.
This is a bit judgemental. You don't know it was the parents driving it and you don't know it was selfish.

I had a 16 year old who was bound and determined to fly across the country alone. I had to weigh the odds of the risk versus the damage that might have been caused by vetoing him.

Raising well-adjusted kids is weighing risks.
 
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Yes. Their presence is assistance. Even if she never recieves any assistance of any kind (difficult to believe) from the support boats, their presence absolutely changes the equation. The danger inherrent in the attempt is part and parcel of what makes it a challenge. Ie, you can take risks you wouldn't otherwise take if you know you have a safety net.....which makes a good literal example of the same thing: I'd certainly try tightrope walking...but not without a net.
Ok, their presence helped, but I do not think that counts as not sailing alone.
 
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This is a bit judgemental. You don't know it was the parents driving it and you don't know it was selfish.
Yeah, I really do, Dave. By law this girl is not old enough to make such decisions for herself, and such undertakings are not something a kid can pull out of thin air.
I had a 16 year old who was bound and determined to fly across the country alone. I had to weigh the odds of the risk versus the damage that might have been caused by vetoing him.

Raising well-adjusted kids is weighing risks.
So what was your decision?
 
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Yeah, I really do, Dave. By law this girl is not old enough to make such decisions for herself, and such undertakings are not something a kid can pull out of thin air.
I said nothing about whether they gave permission; clearly they did.

But you said they were "selfish" and you implied they drove it.


So what was your decision?
You have to ask?
 
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I said nothing about whether they gave permission; clearly they did.

But you said they were "selfish" and you implied they drove it.



You have to ask?
Dave, I have to ask what your opinion is on allowing an underage child to leave school in order to try to get her name in some record book? Good idea? Or maybe say, finish school, and when you are old enough to do this on your own, you can do whatever you want.


Oh heck, let's all put our children on reality shows and hope they get into records books, eh? Apparently getting into a record book is all important.
 
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Obviously the record book was not all-important, since the book you refer to was always going to disregard her on the basis of her age. Perhaps the inspirational experience was more important? (So of course she is the one defining the goals.)

As for leaving school, 16 year olds are not required to attend (!), but this trip has not obstructed her from completing school anyway. (For that matter, she's old enough to be emancipated.)

And the journey has raised her career/future prospects far beyond what spending that time in a normal classroom would have. (In fact, even if there was no novelty/fame to reap, wouldn't a similar experience like hers still potentially benefit every young adult?)

You still haven't described the circumstances of the support boats.. how far away, for what portion of the trip? You seem to want to complain that she was completely abandoned in mortal danger and receiving great ongoing physical assistance at the same time.
 
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