This is some fun stuff
Is there anyone out there trying to debunk this stuff? Its rather spooky, but seems like it could have been forged.
It would be nice to see some of the original posts, although those could be faked as well.
I read most of the page, and it seems that some of the story has credibility, but that all mostly depends on whether or not the dates the author claims JT posted this stuff is true.
True or not, I'm glad I live in a small, rural community away from huge cities.
Is there any credibility to some of the physics claims made? I noticed the author provided some sites to half way back up some of the claims.
Mostly, I'm just responding cause seems like someone should.
They make all of two suggestions that he might have known something, what the heck is there to de-bunk???
Here's some more. http://johntitor.strategicbrains.com/CopyrightProof.cfm
I expected to find that this whole story was made up last July, but this guy has really gotten people worked up.
recently i was banned from mkaku.org for reasons that are still unknown to me. then the site went down. just as the site was shutting down, someone going by the name of john titor was apparently conversing with me. i heard this through my friend who witnessed the activity while i was banned. but now all the conversations are gone.
0hh0, how intriguing
At the very least, his advice about appreciating and preserving life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness warrants some merit
Stupid mad cow disease.. although I guess that I shouldn't be eating beef anyway, if I want to lose weight
It'll probably be 2005 by the time I'm down to an average weight anyway..
Maybe I oughtta go through with my plan of visiting/moving to Japan once I get out of college
It certainly would be nice to be the largest person around, although I guess that if I don't like the cost of living in Seattle, then Japan might get old pretty quickly
i love your signiture!
I'm not really sure what to think about this. Of course my gut reaction is that its BS.
Another note that has me even more skeptical is not so much any of John's words, but some of the other claimed Time travelers. These people claim they've gone back in time in order to prove Jesus lived, Muhammed, etc. They've claimed history and science is wrong, and that humans lived with dinosaurs.
We know the last line is simply untrue, unless there is some kinda magic plateu like in "The Lost World". To me, it seems a plot to yet again convince people to get into church.
Some of the stuff John mentioned seems a bit more worth while, atleast to the point where it would be worth looking out for signs of things to come.
I just can't imagine what the US governement would do to prompt a civil war.
Like Integral said, fun stuff. I can't believe I've missed out on this for 3 years, is what gets me.
the john titor that was conversing with me claimed to be living in canada, not florida. he was apparently trying the writing exercises i've learned and shared with great success; he contacted my friends on mkaku.org and asked questions. he apparently asked me questions but i was banned. now all the messages are gone.
I never went to the mkaku site before it was transferred here, but I could see that it might be uptight about such things as actual time travel. This is a more forgiving site. Another one is the forum at www.superstringtheory.com, [Broken] where there is a lot of nonstandard theory exposed. They're having some technical problems right now, but some boards are open.
cool. i'll check it out!
I was a moderator at the MKaku website and I can assure you that we were not uptight there. We often discussed such ideas as time travel. We had a theoretical physics section as well as others that dealt with such things. Heck, we even had a Science Fiction section, just for fun.
MKaku is a big fan of science fiction and enjoys discussing ideas now matter how rediculous they might seem. Dr. Kaku was on "Unscreweed" for crying out loud.
No, we were not an uptight group of people.
By the way, I just went and looked at the "Copywrite Proof of Evidence" thing and all that happened is that someone copywrited some of the things that Titor supposedly said. That doesn't mean anything. Anything can by copywrited. It doesn't mean it's real. By that, I mean, it doesn't even mean some guy named John Titor said any of it.
The American Civil War II thing is odd, though. Whoever is perpetrating this hoax will have it blown out of the water in two years. Unless they use the parallel worlds excuse.
I just finished reading the whole thing- I haven't read the debunking websites yet, but I'm assuming he hasn't been debunked yet as this is still a topic of discussion.
If it is bunk, a lot of time and effort went into this, and this guy is no dummy- he would have had to do quite a bit of physics research to pull this off.
One thing that stuck out to me, was that he mentioned the civil war resulting from loss of civil rights- people were being invaded and having thier houses searched by the government. This correlates with the increased security resulting from 9/11. It is being scaled back, however it would be very easy to imagine it cascading out of control, were the US to suffer another terrorist attack. Sacrifice of personal liberties to ensure public security- he made reference to this belief in regards to the civil war. However I find it incredulous that he didn't even make a faint reference to the 9/11 incident. He seemed to favor March 21st as a significant date- but no year, so that could be 2004, 2008, or even 2015. Could he pull it off if he had sufficient time, means, and motivation? No doubt he could do the phyics reseach- the pictures would have required him to actually build a replica. I remain a skeptic as always, but here's my proposition.
If he's wrong-*shrug* another wacko hits the dust. But if he's actually a time traveller-god help us all. And he was right- no one will take him seriously- at least not until 2004 if events escalate. With a bleak future like that, I'm sure we'd all rather think he's a babbling idiot.
EDIT: There's a very quick current way to verfiy everything he's saying. Because according to him, in 2001 or 2002 CERN accidently created a microsingularity. His explanation is that by bombarding a microsingularity smaller than the size of an electron, WITH electrons you broaden the event horizon, and thus the gravitational field. He forthermore says that by overlapping the fields from 2 microsingularities you can travel through time. I believe his says this is discovered through a super-collider at CERN, but that the supercollider isn't completed until 2007-conflicting story, but I may have the details mixed up.
Anyone familiar with a discovery of a microsingularity at CERN?
As an aside, I emailed this pamela girl inviting her to comment in this post about the validity(or her view of) his authenticity. We'll see if she stops in
Could THIS be the discovery John Titon spoke of? it's still too early to tell...
August 13, 2003
High Energy Accelerator Research Organization (KEK)
The High Energy Accelerator Research Organization (KEK) announced that the Belle collaboration, an international research team working at the KEKB accelerator, found evidence for a new phenomenon that cannot be explained by the Standard Model of elementary particles.
The KEKB accelerator is a device for generating a large number of very shortlived subatomic particles called B mesons as well as their anti-matter counterparts. These particles, each with a mass somewhat greater than that of the helium atom, disintegrate after about a few trillionths of a second into lighter and more long-lived daughters, and these decay products are detected by the Belle detector
Also here's a post by jon titor on 3/14/01
The faulty part of your description for your device involves Hawking Radiation. Its not the size of the singularity that matters, its the mass involved that determines the temperature of the radiation.
You seem to be quite upset and I understand your argument. I do however think it is important to gather the facts and probabilities before expelling emotional energy on them. Please keep in mind that I have not shared all the technical details of the machine with you. So an easy out would be for me to just make something up.
However, and as I'm sure you are aware, Stephen Hawking admits that his own equations support the "possibility" that microsingularities may not totally disappear as they evaporate in a sea of virtual particles and in fact may leave behind a very stable naked singularity. I'm sure you can look that up. I suppose the difficult part is believing that we've taken advantage of it, not that it's impossible.
So it is possible that the naked singularity he's referring to COULD(and I stress could) be the same thing that was recently discovered in my above CERN link. Something to consider....
The Final Debunking word
Well it appears this thing picked up quite a following, but Now for the final word from Dr Robert G Brown, Physicist
i tried registering on that site but my email has already been banned so that i cannot. interesting.
i can't even begin to speculate on why that is; i feel it must be an error.
i'm trying to contact john for myself for i have my own questions. one of them is this: why would someone pretend to be a time traveler from the future, theoretically speaking; what would they have to gain?
on the site, the physicist (if i'm not mistaken) reported that john wishes as few contacts as possible (for his own reasons). but he apparenly will spend time with a physicist. why, i ask? why the need for validation from relatively primative scientists? how on earth could sufficiently advanced science be explained to those of a limited viewpoint? how would we explain superstring theory to the anceint egyptians? they wouldn't believe us and call us frauds. it sounds to me as if this john character is in his own self-reinforcing delusional world if he isn't a bona fide time traveler. he can always excuse himself by suggesting that current science just can't understand his advanced science. in fact, anyone with sufficient background in science fiction knows that if you just go through a portal created by chronaton particles, you can travel to any point in time instantaneously and always argue that it's just that the chronoton hasn't been discovered yet because it isn't sought for. what a problem...
may your journey be graceful,
Just when I think people in this part of the world can't get any dumber, something like this comes up. I mean, how gullible does one have to be in order to buy into this nonsense? Making educated guesses about the future is easy.
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