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News Judge Suspended Yes

  1. Aug 22, 2003 #1
    Judge Suspended Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    As an atheist I say: "WE SHALL OVERCOME"

    Everyone keep tuned to the news because they're gonna rip the monument out and haul it away to the dump, and the religious nuts are saying they're gonna riot. This will be better than Springer :)

    Like Sinead said, fight the real enemy!
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  3. Aug 22, 2003 #2


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    Hah, I knew there had to be something we wouldn't butt heads on.

    Thats good news, but really insignificant. It's just gonna piss ppl off and convince them even more the end of the world is near.
  4. Aug 22, 2003 #3

    I dunno the S.C. has made alot of great logical decisions, and it's a small step.

    The next big one is the "under god" thing. If they were to rule properly on that one, boy will that be a party eh?
  5. Aug 22, 2003 #4


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    this should be a thread in the political forum...
  6. Aug 22, 2003 #5
    Well I didn't see the news section. But this has little to do with politics! Government isn't politics until someone lies to gain control :)
  7. Aug 26, 2003 #6
    Actually they are talking about simply moving it to another room that way the religous people would not be able to stop it and it would meet legal requirements so the atheists cant stop it. Sounds fair to me.
  8. Aug 26, 2003 #7
    I look forward to his removal...he swore an oath to uphold the law, and he broke that oath, therefore he shouldn't be a judge.
  9. Aug 27, 2003 #8
    In a victory for religious liberty, teh monument has been removed...YAY!!
  10. Aug 27, 2003 #9
    I can't wait til all Judeo-Christian symbols are removed from governmental things, including money. The money gets to me the most, since it is the part of the US that travels around the world.
  11. Aug 27, 2003 #10
    No one has yet to bring this up. It takes lawyers who want to fight a case, and perhaps those who can fund it - for it to be looked at seriously. This is how the "ten" issue and the "under god" issue became big. We will surely win the "under god" issue, the supreme court has merely set this aside because of political issues so they can enact the change at a less "emotional" time for our country. I have confidence in them.

    So once someone gets a group to challenge this it will hit the S.C. and it's history from there.
  12. Aug 28, 2003 #11
    Yeah...kind of embarassing, isn't it? I tend to cross it out when I have the time.
  13. Aug 29, 2003 #12
    sick. what twisted minds, so very far from the truth. i think i feel more pity than scorn. you know not what you say.
  14. Aug 29, 2003 #13

    No one agrees on the truth...which is why religious speech should not be made by the government.
  15. Aug 31, 2003 #14
    Just curious , but isn't that against the law or something serious?
  16. Aug 31, 2003 #15
    Nope...so long as the markings are not intended to confuse which denomination the bill is, you are within your rights, last time I checked. Of course, this is a perfect case to contrast the 10 Commandments case; I am a private citizen, practicing my private free speech.


    Writing in the marginsis absolutely legal, so this could be a touchy one...
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  17. Nov 14, 2003 #16
    Good news!!! Chief Justice Moore is currently unemployed!!!

    In a unanimous decision, Judge Moore was removed from the bench for ethics violations...and it is about time! Now, I don't know about you, but for me this is a ray of sunshine in an otheriwse bleak political climate.
  18. Nov 14, 2003 #17


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    Well I say, Whose head is on the dollar bill? Then give Washington what belongs to Washington, and give God what belongs to God.
  19. Nov 14, 2003 #18
    Well, America has plenty of churches...religious freedom seems to work really well. Why do 'Christians' feel teh need to violate the law, and their own Bible, in order to get validation of their beliefs from the government?
  20. Nov 15, 2003 #19
    This may surprise any of you who have a feel for my opinions, because I am very religious, but I am happy about this too. Because although our laws are based on Judeao-Christian laws, the monument was out of place in a gov't institution without similar law monuments, like a remake of the tablet of Hamarabi or something. This is esp. because four of the 10 Commandments apply solely to the Jews and Christians, specifically they talk about the Judeao-Christian God. If they had many monuments (probably small for money and space), say in the lobby or whatever, documenting 'law through the ages', it would be entirely appropriate if all of them had references to any number of gods. If I believed in the like 10,000 ancient Eqyptian gods(I doubt this would ever really occur though, there are so few polytheistic people), I would feel like there is a marked bias against me upon entering the building, esp. if I'm a foreigner and don't totally understand how the American Judicial system works. However, given that there is so much in the study of historical law and almost all of them mention some gods, one really shouldn't have anything religious in a gov't institution. This is because there is always that infinitesimal number of people whose 'law heritage', which includes some mentioning of religon undoubtably, is not represented.
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  21. Nov 15, 2003 #20
    Actually, Jonathan, American law is not specifically based on Christian principles, except in the ways that ALL societies have certain restrictions. America owes much more to Greek and Roman law, as well as to European law. Nothing in our law is based on the Ten Commandments.
    I agree with everything else you posted, though...and I think many religious people would agree as well. And, of course, you pretty much spelled out the Supreme COurt's position: the Ten Commandments can be shown as a historical document along with other historical sourses of laws, but the government cannot favor one religion over another.
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