# Kernels and Images

## Main Question or Discussion Point

I just start learning Image and Kernel of Linear Tranfsormation, I find it very confuseing that what is the relationship between span, image and kernel in Transformation T= Ax; x=vector.
Therefore I don't know how to describe the image and kernels of the transformation in :
Q1 : Reflection in the line y= x/3 in R-2
Q2 : Orthogonal projection onto the plane x+ 2y +3z = 0 in R-3

Can anyone help me?

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matt grime
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The kernel is the set of vectors mapped to the zero vector. How many vectors are mapped to 0 by any reflection? The image is the set of vectors mapped to. given any vector in R^2 can you see how to find out if it has something mapping to it under the reflection? (it may help to realize that if you do any reflection twice you end up with the identity map).

now try applying the same thinking to the projection. what vectors are mapped to the zero vector? what is the image? obvisouly the image must be a subset of the plane you project into, but which subset?

matt grime said:
The kernel is the set of vectors mapped to the zero vector. How many vectors are mapped to 0 by any reflection? The image is the set of vectors mapped to. given any vector in R^2 can you see how to find out if it has something mapping to it under the reflection? (it may help to realize that if you do any reflection twice you end up with the identity map).

now try applying the same thinking to the projection. what vectors are mapped to the zero vector? what is the image? obvisouly the image must be a subset of the plane you project into, but which subset?
So So confusing ~~>,< Not quite understand what you mean could you mind elaborate more?

matt grime
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no, i won't elaborate more. you should try and understand more (maths is not easy, dont' expect to be spoonfed the answer, it will take you some time to understand the definitions. get used to it). as it is the answer follows easily from the definition of kernel. what is the set of vectors mapped to the zero vector?

this undoubtedly sounds harsh (and i'm sure there are people willing to just tell you the answer but that is wrong).

imagine you are doing french. i tell you the endings all regular verbsd take. then i tell you to work out the french for 'i like' given that aimer is a regular verb. would you expect me to spoon feed the answer as j'aime? no, it is up to you to work it out. maths is no different. you have been told that the kernel is the set of vectors sent to 0 so find out what this is.

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Before you work on Q1, I suggest you work on this related problem.

Q0 : Reflection in the line x = 0 (the y-axis) in R-2.

Reflection in this line means that the point whose coordinates are (x, y) will be sent to the point whose coordinates are (-x, y). For instance: (2, 4) will be sent to (-2, 4).

What will (5, 8) be sent to?
What will (-4, -6) be sent to?
What will be sent to (-9, 17)?
What will be sent to (5, -12)?

And now, the \$64,000 question:
What will be sent to (0, 0)?

I will get back to you once you have answered these questions.

matt grime said:
no, i won't elaborate more. you should try and understand more (maths is not easy, dont' expect to be spoonfed the answer, it will take you some time to understand the definitions. get used to it). as it is the answer follows easily from the definition of kernel. what is the set of vectors mapped to the zero vector?

this undoubtedly sounds harsh (and i'm sure there are people willing to just tell you the answer but that is wrong).

imagine you are doing french. i tell you the endings all regular verbsd take. then i tell you to work out the french for 'i like' given that aimer is a regular verb. would you expect me to spoon feed the answer as j'aime? no, it is up to you to work it out. maths is no different. you have been told that the kernel is the set of vectors sent to 0 so find out what this is.
Thanks for your remind on how to learning maths.
what you are talking is just theory, and denfinion all of it I have already got from a book no need to copy it once again for me. I wnat to understand the "application" just, can you tell me the answer. of the question:
Q1 : Reflection in the line y= x/3 in R-2
Q2 : Orthogonal projection onto the plane x+ 2y +3z = 0 in R-3

go step by step and do what grims said...
ther kernal-->solve the reflections that map O

all else www.mathworld.com, your textbook should ahve examples...if not get a new textbook

matt grime