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  1. Dec 18, 2011 #1
    Kim Jong Il died, meaning???

    South Korea will invade North?!?!? jkjkjk
    I hope they can change into democratic country
     
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  3. Dec 18, 2011 #2
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    I love North Korea's TV :rofl:

    This makes 2011 even more interesting!

    If I recall correctly, he was trying to pass the leadership to his son.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11417016

    I don't know enough about his son but he sure seems to lack leaderships skills ..
     
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  4. Dec 18, 2011 #3
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    Very doubtful. I was in DPRK this past August. They are truly brainwashed on an ideology. That ideology was from Kim Il Sung and he is dead too. It will take a generation or more to change. Kim Jong Un has not had much time to prepare. Should be interesting. I wonder how many years of mourning they will observe.
     
  5. Dec 18, 2011 #4

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    Holy cow!

    You were there at a pretty historic time, Greg - right before Kim's fall!

    We'll have to see about if it changes - Kim was trying to transfer power to his 20 year old son and if his son can't handle it, it could all come crashing down. The brainwashing works because the society is so closed. If the control of information fails, the people will make the change themselves. See: USSR; glasnost.
     
  6. Dec 18, 2011 #5
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    :rofl:

    Right now, there seems to be a power vacuum. I wonder if his son will manage to get hold of the power or everything will come crashing down tonight :surprised

    I am really eager to see his son coming on the TV and he should have by this time?
     
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  7. Dec 19, 2011 #6
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    Nothing is going to come "crashing down" - they have a strong government in place and I'm sure there are lots of people behind the scenes who no one knows about - the son will be the next figurehead, but probably won't have to do very much.
     
  8. Dec 19, 2011 #7
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    The soccer world is in mourning.
     
  9. Dec 19, 2011 #8

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    I hope they finished his pyramid in time.
     
  10. Dec 19, 2011 #9

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    :rofl:
     
  11. Dec 19, 2011 #10

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    Re: Kim Jong Il died, meaning???

    There are still plenty of people in the USA brainwashed on an ideology from 1776 - or even from 4004 BC. Don't hold your breath waiting for anything to happen real soon now in NK (or even in the USA).
     
  12. Dec 19, 2011 #11

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    What the heck are you talking about?!
     
  13. Dec 19, 2011 #12

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    Do you think so? There are already reports of cleansing going on, the control of the government on the citizens has tightened. Say something that could threaten the power of Kim Jong Un and you'll disappear, don't expect to live.
     
  14. Dec 19, 2011 #13

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    North Korean are bright; they'll make King Kong III.
    When I was about 6 years old and watched King Kong I I was very sad for days. But then Americans made King Kong II and I was back to happiness, though it stopped there. Let's hope Koreans will overpass Americans.
     
  15. Dec 19, 2011 #14

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    That's not how dictatorships work: Kim was in complete control.
     
  16. Dec 19, 2011 #15
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    I believe the user you quoted was asserting that perhaps it was not a true dictatorship, but rather administered by a small body of people with one figurehead.
     
  17. Dec 19, 2011 #16
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    To answer OP's question: Bin Laden, Gaddafi, and Kim Jong-il have all fallen in the past year. It's time to focus on eliminating the next great evils. Namely Robert Mugabe, Justin Bieber, and the entire cast of Jersey Shore.
     
  18. Dec 19, 2011 #17
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    Kim Jong Il certainly had absolute power. However, even he was second in command to the "enternal president", which is his father. To put it in another way, Kim Jong Il was like Peter in the Bible on level of importance and respect. Kim Il Sung was God/Jesus. The problem is that the country is under the control of not necessarily a person, but of a religion/ideology. Kim Il Sung created it and called it Juche. It is the fuel for the country's pride, patriotism and ultimately it's isolation. It's all about self-reliance and paranoia of the outside world. The question is how will the new leader interpret the Juche philosophy.
     
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  19. Dec 19, 2011 #18
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    i'm not sure i even believe in the notion of a true dictatorship. a government simply is not going to run unless you've got some competent people working for you to carry out your wishes. and those competent people got to the N-1 positions by being not simply loyal to the regime, but also aggressive and ambitious. if they sense weakness or incompetence, or even personal threat to a position they've worked hard to achieve, then you can get the same kind of emperor stabbery that the Romans knew.

    but yeah, depends on how much the guy is worth dead vs alive. if he's just a figurehead with no real power, then all he has to do is continue to play his part.
     
  20. Dec 19, 2011 #19
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    It is a little different in DPRK because of the religious reverence of Kim Il Sung and Kim Jung Ill. It would be like a Christian stabbing Jesus. This is the point many don't understand and why an invasion or assassination would be disastrous. His natural death was the only way. The level of totalitarianism of DPRK is off the charts, it's nothing like USSR or Cuba.
     
  21. Dec 19, 2011 #20
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    'Juche philosophy'
    most people will not understand such. It is beond most peoples eperiance.
    Yes there will be those that will try the young Un.
    Yes he is also very young. It will be the problem if he is forced to prove himself to the country, and or is manipulated by others in a high position. This is the biggest threat.

    The missile test already was done in the idea to show the rest of the world that the military is still intact, etc.
    His youth may be the threat over all. depends on how the impulsiveness of youth is dealt with by the country. such impulsiveness already cost the older son to be removed from consideration.

    It is a risky time for all.
     
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