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News Latest Iranian missile tests

  1. Mar 12, 2016 #1

    1oldman2

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    With all the talk in the news about the upcoming satellite launch by Iran, I'm wondering about the consequences and possible actions that may take place in light of the multiple violations of treaties in place currently.
    I understand the banning of ballistic testing (and by association space launches) is tied into the J. Kerry nuke deal which our current administration is so proud of.
     
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  3. Mar 13, 2016 #2
    Who is our? I mean which country?
     
  4. Mar 13, 2016 #3

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    I guess I was speaking of US, however your point is well taken if your referring to the fact there were many other counties involved with the Iranian nuke deal.
    I apologize for the initial vagueness.
     
  5. Mar 13, 2016 #4
    In fact I wasn't referring to that. I was referring to the fact that this forum is global and saying "our" doesn't help gauze your nationality.
     
  6. Mar 13, 2016 #5

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    First post but I'm learning. :doh:
     
  7. Mar 13, 2016 #6
    Oldman, you know as well as I do Obama and the US will do nothing about this. And without our leadership, the other signatories will do nothing as well.
     
  8. Mar 13, 2016 #7

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    Your post confirms my suspicions also, :frown:. That is what drove me to posting my first thread. With so much at stake (Israel is certainly taking notice) The cost of inaction is staggering, the problem at this point seems to be that inaction is the only action we can expect. I'm thinking the nuke deal along with Russia's recent support may have emboldened the the Iranians to a point of catastrophe as far the world is concerned.
     
  9. Mar 13, 2016 #8

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    While I'm not certain of "fox" as 100% no spin, I believe todays online edition highlights just how convoluted things are.
    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/0...ish-iran-for-missile-tests.html?intcmp=hplnws
    And now a quick paste of part of that article.
    UN Security Council Resolution 2231 says Iran is “not to undertake any activity related to ballistic missiles designed to be capable of delivering nuclear weapons, including launches using such ballistic missile technology.”

    Thursday, a senior Revolutionary Guard commander said that Iran's ballistic missile program will continue to move forward, despite threats of international sanctions.

    The U.S. State Department says the launches this week were not in violation of the nuclear deal, but “inconsistent” with UN Security Council Resolution 2231, which was tied to the nuclear deal when it went into effect.

    Vice President Joseph Biden, while meeting Netanyahu Wednesday did not acknowledge the missile launch directly, but he issued a strong warning to the Iranians.

    "A nuclear-armed Iran is an absolutely unacceptable threat to Israel, to the region and the United States. And I want to reiterate which I know people still doubt here: if in fact they break the deal, we will act," he said.

    Iranian Revolutionary Guards senior commander was quoted as saying last week that its latest round of missiles were being designed to hit Israel.

    I also find this article interesting as well as relevant.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35798248

    Perhaps the world need to go over the lessons in "Tragedy and hope"
     
  10. Mar 14, 2016 #9
    As long as Obama is in office, the Israelis are on their own. Hill is a neocon in Dems clothing and I don't know about Trump. I think either way, the Israelis will have to act to act unilaterally in the case of preemptive strikes.
     
  11. Mar 14, 2016 #10

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    This is exactly the scenario I envisioned when contemplating the consequences. Of any nation involved the Israeli government is by far the most likely to do more than just talk about the problem, (a quick glance at recent history should confirm this).

    Regarding Bidens statement, I don't see there being much credibility and i doubt that most of the world does either.
    [Vice President Joseph Biden, while meeting Netanyahu Wednesday did not acknowledge the missile launch directly, but he issued a strong warning to the Iranians.

    "A nuclear-armed Iran is an absolutely unacceptable threat to Israel, to the region and the United States. And I want to reiterate which I know people still doubt here: if in fact they break the deal, we will act," he said.]

    I'm used to regional conflicts being referred to as "powder kegs", in this case the powder keg is replaced with nukes and the fuse may as well be replaced with "Det chord".
     
  12. Mar 17, 2016 #11

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    References? What violation of what treaty?
     
  13. Mar 17, 2016 #12

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    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35798248
    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/0...ish-iran-for-missile-tests.html?intcmp=hplnws

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-iran-idUSKCN0WE0W5
    Welcome, while these "sources" may not meet the standards of a technical paper, they are what I based the opening of this thread on.
    As to what treaty violations, reading the news items should reveal the convoluted nature of the situation. whether or not a particular treaty is being violated is rather ambiguous, depending on whose point of view is taken. While the US stance is "no violation is being committed" The UN resolution #2231 is apparently another matter, since I understand that the "nuke deal" is tied into the UN resolutions currently in place.
    It is the nature of these conflicting points that led to this thread, along with the Pandora's box that could eventually be opened.

    The main purpose of this thread is to learn what I can through others opinions and information that I get in response to it.
    Thanks and have a great day.:smile:
     
  14. Mar 17, 2016 #13

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    [QUOTE="1oldman2, post: 5413455, ]since I understand that the "nuke deal" is tied into the UN resolutions currently in place....[/QUOTE]
    As you say, Iran's provocative missile launches are the topic of UN 2231, but the US nuclear deal with Iran has no coverage of Iran's ballistic missile launches. There's no formal treaty with Iran on these matters.
     
  15. Mar 17, 2016 #14

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    Exactly my point, so what does this really mean?
    The U.S. State Department says the launches this week were not in violation of the nuclear deal, but “inconsistent” with UN Security Council Resolution 2231, which was tied to the nuclear deal when it went into effect.
     
  16. Apr 5, 2016 #15

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  17. Jun 3, 2016 #16

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  18. Jun 3, 2016 #17

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    Seems to me Iran needs to develop their in-house skillset by building missiles and test ranges.

    To tip them they can just go to neighborhood "Warhead Depot" .

    http://indianexpress.com/article/wo...us-india-obama-administration-warned-2817925/
    My guess is they're not crazy enough to attack Israel themselves with traceable missiles, they just want to swagger and bark like big dog in the neighborhood.

    But would they give a lunchbox nuke to somebody really stupid ?
    PHEP_NuclearWarfareSuitcaseBomb.gif
     
  19. Jun 3, 2016 #18

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    :nb) Scary thought there.
     
  20. Jun 3, 2016 #19
    Lunchbox nuke?, I thought that was just low quality media paranoia?
    Surely the smallest effective fission bomb requires at lest a few tens of Kg of highly enriched Plutonium, and about the same again weight of containment and control apparatus.
     
  21. Jun 3, 2016 #20

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    I have always heard the term "suitcase nuke" or "backpack nuke" used but they are real. :nb):frown::nb)
    From uncle sam we get this, http://www.nationalterroralert.com/suitcasenuke/
    I believe the image JH posted is an actual device (or more likely a mock-up of one) as it matches the description on the site.
     
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