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dr-dock
can you point out the similarities and the differences between the terms LAW and AGREEMENT?
show some examples,please
show some examples,please
Originally posted by Dissident Dan
Well, laws have to be instituted by certain bodies that are deemed as legislative. Agreements need no such designated body. People are subjected to laws without agreeing to them.
Originally posted by dr-dock
can you point out the similarities and the differences between the terms LAW and AGREEMENT?
show some examples,please
why do you put those two in same basket?Originally posted by wuliheron
Laws can cover anything from the laws of physics to the laws of the state.
Originally posted by dr-dock
why do you put those two in same basket?
i can brake the laws of the state in some cases without consquences.
for example I'm 26 YOA.by the law i have to have id which i don't since years ago.i never paid any bill cause of that.people in the parlament debated and voted persons (18 or older) have to have id. this is at the end sort of agreement.i'm only sorry cause some one else agreed on this in my name but i am the one to cary the consequences if I'm naughty.
BUT
i cannot break the laws of physics no matter how hard i try no matter how much time i have to do it.this is just different.
those failures are not failures of the physical laws them selfs but they belong to our interpretations of the same.Originally posted by wuliheron
See what I mean now about fundamentalism characterizing laws? Good is never evil, truth is never falsehood, guilt is never innocense, and the laws of physics can never be broken.
Your statement that the laws of physics can never be broken reflect classical physics and logic, which are fundamentalist, not modern physics. Quantum Mechanics revolves around the idea everything is utterly random. The "law" of gravity could be repealed at any moment, the atoms in your butt can line up with those in the chair and you'll fall through to the floor, etc.
As Stephen Hawking said, Quantum Mechanics is a theory about what we do not know. What it strongly implies, is underlying all the order we perceive is utter chaos without cause. Particles appearing out of nowhere, and then just as quickly disappearing again. It may well be that much of the order we perceive today even will eventually fade into paradox upon closer scrutiny.
This seems to be case currently for example with astronomy. At first it seemed a puzzle that on the largest scales we could view the universe should display so much order while on the smallest it displayed utter chaos. Now with significant investment into telescopes we are again perceiving weirdness at the largest scales we can see. The universe inflating out of virtually nothing, galaxies inexplicably accelerating as they fly apart, etc.
If you think those are immutable laws, then the word has no meaning.
Originally posted by dr-dock
those failures are not failures of the physical laws them selfs but they belong to our interpretations of the same.
it's just another classic case of breaking the convinience/agreement and geting away with it.in this case the matter is the naughty one.
fromOriginally posted by wuliheron
Ahhh, another fundamentalist. Next you'll be randomness is order. Nice paradox. If you like that one, try explaining existence. :0)
Originally posted by dr-dock
from
"the matrix movie".
Noe is at the oracle's place looking how that kid (candidate to be the chosenone) twists a spoon without touching it and after that the kid explains its self:
"You cannot twist the spoon with your hands.It's impossible.Instead try to realize the truth for the spoon and you'll realize that it's not the spoon that is twisting but it's only your self".
Noe gets the point,tries to twist the spoon and actually (in the matrix) the spoon twists.
Originally posted by dr-dock
let's get back to the main point.
do you agree that law is something unbreackable while agreement is breackable?
Originally posted by dr-dock
let's get back to the main point.
do you agree that law is something unbreackable while agreement is breackable?
This is really strange! Because I just rented that movie and watched it for the first time last night (Sunday, April 27th), and this was one of things that really stuck out in my mind. Wow, maybe the matrix really does exist and, that somebody (from the other side?), prompted this to happen?Originally posted by dr-dock
from
"the matrix movie".
Noe is at the oracle's place looking how that kid (candidate to be the chosenone) twists a spoon without touching it and after that the kid explains its self:
"You cannot twist the spoon with your hands.It's impossible.Instead try to realize the truth for the spoon and you'll realize that it's not the spoon that is twisting but it's only your self".
Noe gets the point,tries to twist the spoon and actually (in the matrix) the spoon twists.
Originally posted by zimbo
Let's not confuse between 'law' in the legal sense (eg government laws) and 'law' in the scientific sense. The first is mainly prescriptive ('you must do so and so or else . . .') while the second is descriptive.
It is impossible to go against 'natural law' because since we are natural beings (instead of supernatural), whatever we end up doing is in accordance to the laws of nature. The same clearly cannot be said about laws made by institutions.
But I think in the original post, the contrast between law and agreement seems to suggest that law is to be taken as the 'rules & regulations' meaning. A law is something explicitly set down that applies universally to a group of people (eg people in a country or a society) and is enforced by collective consent. An agreement is usually between a small number of people and may or may not be legally binding, although it may be 'morally' binding depending on what code of morality one adopts.
The main difference between a law and an agreement is that a law is a legally binding rule or regulation enforced by a governing authority, while an agreement is a mutual understanding or arrangement between two or more parties that is not necessarily legally binding.
No, an agreement cannot be considered a law because it is not enforceable by a governing authority. However, certain agreements can be made into legally binding contracts if they meet certain requirements.
Both laws and agreements involve some form of agreement or understanding between parties. They also both have consequences for not upholding the terms and can be used to resolve disputes or conflicts.
Laws are created by governing bodies such as legislatures or courts, while agreements are created by the parties involved in the agreement.
Yes, it is possible for a law and an agreement to overlap. For example, a law can be created to enforce the terms of an agreement or an agreement can be made with legal assistance to ensure its enforceability.