# Leaving the Left

1. May 24, 2005

### Staff: Mentor

"Leaving the Left"

HERE is an opinion piece (yes, I'll be upfront about that) about a former "card carrying Democrat" who has decided that its time to abbandon the Democratic party because the Democratic party no longer stands for the principles of liberalism for which it exists. It very well sums up my long-standing opinion of the party - an opinion that has only gotten stronger (adn accelerated) with time. The Democratic party continues to move away from its reason for being.

All of it is good, but a few excerpts:

Last edited: May 24, 2005
2. May 24, 2005

### Yonoz

A very well written piece.

3. May 24, 2005

### wasteofo2

If only we had an American equivalent of the Liberal Democrats in England...

And if only Republicans would get all uppity and leave the party when they realized that Bush's increasing govt. spending at a higher rate than clinton ever did, military expenditures excluded., along with all his other non-conservative stuff...

4. May 24, 2005

### El Hombre Invisible

Nice to hear a vote of confidence for Charlie. If only we could get the man in the door.

5. May 24, 2005

### Jonny_trigonometry

Both republican and democratic parties are wrong, but when they are balanced equally, things are good.

The deomcrats are swinging more left because the republicans are swinging more right.

To affiliate yourself with either one makes you ignore valid arguments of the other side.

I'm a democrat right now because I feel the nation needs to be more balanced (since the administration is radical right). If Kerry were elected, I would've liked it for a while until i saw the nation becomming too left wing, and at that point i would join the righties.

Regardless of the political spectrum, I see the current administration as paranoid control freaks in a desperate attempt to make everyone behave the way they do. Thier attitude is far less forgiving than the previous administration. Just listening to the tone of Lord Bush's voice when he talks down to the people (as if he's teaching us something) is kind of scary. He doesn't accept failure, and will never humble himself. When there is no room for failure, there is no way to learn from mistakes and hence, no way to improve the situation.

The thing with the Dems is that they believe other people know what is best for themselves, and repubs believe they know what is best for others.

Both viewpoints must be balanced in order to amiliorate our world. It's nice that you've found some reasons to be fond of bush, but consider the above things also, you can't just ignore them.

I wrote an email to bush today with a subject "f$# you very much", and it read like this: Dear Lord Bush, screw you a$hole!

Should I be afraid? honestly I am a little, because maybe next time I go on an airline, I'll be pulled to the side and hassled like what happened to some of the Kerry supporters before the election... Maybe I'm on his list now.

If I sent that same email to Clinton would I be afraid? I would think not, because he wouldn't take it negatively.

We all have the freedom to say what we want, and we have the freedom to interpret what others say to and about us negatively or positively. With homeland securit and the patriot act, these freedoms are incrementally being compramised. Perhaps Bush wants people to look at him in fear rather than look at him in hope.

I think it's great to try to look for the good side of Bush, and I commend you for doing so, but in the process you may disregard his bad side and that won't hurt him as much as it would hurt you.

6. May 24, 2005

### Grogs

I agree with you here. Radical Democrats don't represent the whole Democratic party any better than the Radical Republicans represent theirs. The majority of people fall closer to the center. It's just that that's a fairly boring place and so you don't see it a lot on the news. When one party gets a pretty big majority, I think it's just a matter of time until the public (particularly that 20% or so that don't always vote party lines) gets tired of them and votes the other way.

I don't know about Bush's list, but it may well get you on the Secret Service's list. When the President plans a visit to a particular town, it's normal procedure for the Secret Service to investigate anyone in they area they see as a threat. It's also a crime to make actual threats against the President, although I doubt they'd bother with something like 'I'm gonna kick your ass!' Something like 'I'll be waiting with my sniper rifle when you arrive at the airport' is a whole different story though. In any case, I don't think a letter with that much hostility is going to be taken seriously though.

7. May 24, 2005

### Jonny_trigonometry

every timeyou make a credit card purchase, or check out a book at the library, or buy a movie ticket, or visit an internet site, a small note is made in a government database. The american people are all put into categories based on thier running profile. Everybody is on bush's list, and a value of potential terroristic threat to the nation is assigned to each name according to their new definition of terrorism. Since the radical and unconstitutional changes to the government's operation, we all have lost part of our liberty. We simply aren't as free as we were before the changes were made. Why do I worry about being labeled as a terrorist? I never did before, and I never had a problem with the way the nation was being run, but now it's like I have to watch what I say, and I'm very frusterated at that fact.

I haven't even mentioned many other things that the administration is doing economically, and I don't want to delve into that topic right now because it makes me sick.

8. May 24, 2005

### Jonny_trigonometry

it's too bad you didn't know about bush's list. Do you pay attention to the details of the patriot act and homeland securitay at all?

9. May 24, 2005

### loseyourname

Staff Emeritus
Jonny, what part of the Patriot Act are you referring to that creates a national database of all business transactions? I've looked pretty closely at the act over the past year or so and don't recall coming across anything like that.

10. May 24, 2005

### so-crates

russ:

Alright, I give up, you convinced me! I'm marching off to my local Army recruiting office right now!

America uber alles!

11. May 24, 2005

### loseyourname

Staff Emeritus
I live about ten miles from this guy and can't exactly blame him. The liberal left here is about as bad as the radical right in Colorado Springs.

12. May 24, 2005

### Kerrie

Staff Emeritus
America needs 3 presidents-#1 to manage foreign/international affairs, #2 to manage social/domestic affairs, and #3 to manage the financial aspects of the other presidents. All equal in power, all able to make the same decisions with different specialties. Then we might not need a "left" and a "right". We could achieve a better balance then we do now.

13. May 24, 2005

### Grogs

Well, I bought a copy of the Qur'an from Amazon.com the other day. I guess I'm screwed. I wonder what the MIB will think when they come to my door and find a green-eyed, blonde-haired Irishman staring back at them?

LOL, I wouldn't recommend it. I'm considerably more liberal now than before I joined. Maybe it's because I never made Major.

14. May 24, 2005

### wasteofo2

I thought that was what the cabinet was for, you know, secretaries of State, Defense, Treasury, and all those things...

15. May 25, 2005

### TheStatutoryApe

All this sort of thing has been getting more and more ellaborate for quite some time. The Patriot Act has little to do with it. Do you know how many illegal and borderline illegal operations took place when our government was trying to ferret out Nazis before and during WWII? They were trying to get phone taps, mail censors, and the like legalized while they were being implimented because they weren't ready for needing this sort of thing and had no time to lose in getting done what needed to be done.

16. May 25, 2005

### Jonny_trigonometry

honestly I don't know if it's the patriot act that does that or if it is, or if it's an entirely different act or law or whatever for that matter. I'm not well read enough in law to even understand the patriot act. What I'm referring to is mainly things I've seen on the news, like interviews where the reporter would ask people if they would be willing to give up some of thier freedoms in order to be more safe from terrorists. It's subtle things that catch my attention like that particular example, or when people start using the same language as the president in conversation like "resolve" or "evil doers" or something like that.

It seems to me that things like homeland security and the patriot act are needed in order to execute a war on terror. So my answer would be yes, if I really am being plotted against by terrorists who hate my guts, I would sacrafice a little o my freedom and be willing to reveal more parts of my private life so that they (the terror war executers) can know that I'm not against them in their effort to keep me safe. But, I don't think the "terrorists" are a threat. They will always exist, and we've (humanity) been dealing with them from the start. This whole business is nothing new, there is no reason to be alarmed by people who simply don't like us. I think that the administration has got an overblown ego, and therefore is forgetting the virtues of patience and sensability. I think Bush is being trusted with too much, and he can't juggle all the things necessarry to make wise desicions, but yet people don't question his orders because of his antimidation (overblown ego). He means well, but he's selling us a "keep you safe from being struck by lightning" type insurance policy. He is just not well focused on risk assesment.

17. May 25, 2005

### Pengwuino

Jonny, please provide real sources because questions like that to the public is like asking them their feelings towards nuclear power plants being put into service. The reporters are as ignorant as the people there asken most of the time too. "Theres a chance, as demonstrated in the Soviet Union, that a new reactor will blow up and whipe out the portion of a city equivalent to Hiroshima" or some crap like that. Reporter knows nothing, person being interviewed probably thinks the same thing.

18. May 25, 2005

### Jonny_trigonometry

but why is it on their mind?

19. May 25, 2005

### Pengwuino

Irrelevant. Proof is all that matters. You coudl go out on the street and make a rumor that China secretly invaded Russia last summer and tell a lot of people and start getting public opinion on it; this doesnt make it true at all.

20. May 25, 2005

### BobG

Hey! Are you knocking Colorado Springs? :grumpy:

Eeehh, maybe you're right. :uhh: The Springs is home to James Dobson and Focus on the Family and Colorado does have Wayne Allard, Marilyn Musgrave, and Joel Hefley (I hate to lump Hefley in that group because he's done a lot for our district, but like all politicians, he's a mixed bag).

I used to think I was a conservative until I moved here. Then I found out I'd really been a left wing liberal all those years. I think the only place where I really felt in step with the general populace was when I lived in Omaha (okay, not that much more liberal than CSprings, but enough to make a difference).

The problem here is that defecting from the Republican Party is tantamount to saying "I just don't care to vote". No Democrat has a chance and, often, there isn't a Democratic candidate at all. Your only important local choices are the Republican primaries and caucuses where you can at least choose the more moderate Republican candidate.