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Life of gamma ray particle

  1. May 15, 2008 #1
    questions about life of gamma ray particle

    question-are gamma ray particles unchanged after gamma ray burst 13 billion years ago?
    question-are changes detected not due to travel through normal space, scattering? changes due to dark matter/energy?
    question-positronium decay at end universe: what happens to the gamma ray particles?
    what is their lifetime in endless vacuum space time and can these particles decay in other way than scattering, interacting with dark matter/energy?
    question can one surviving gamma ray particle at end universe create a gamma proton and or electron/positron creating matter and starting universe all over again?
    question-what happens to a maximum loaded gamma ray particle (scattering not possible) if not disturbed for billions of years, for example in vacuum space time continuum?
    question-how many gamma ray particles are too highly charged for scattering, who is producing them and what is their lifetime?
    question-how many gamma ray particles are immortal or better said survive space time continuum without changing, scattering?
    question-how many gamma ray particles are beyond space time continuum?
    question-can one max loaded gamma ray particle create big bang (max charge no gamma proton release)?
    question-where does energy go after creating big bang out of one max gamma ray particle?
    and what space/time does it need to release energy? can that energy create space/time and or more dimensions?
    question-can we hold one max loaded gamma ray particle in container? and if... for how long?
    question-graphics of life of gamma ray particle also the ones that are billions of years old and not like the microwave background photons released 300000 years after big bang because they changed to 3 kelvin, these particles must be unchanged since release in early universe at gamma ray burst or have changed due to dark matter/energy so interaction or scattering must be ruled out
    question-can the maximum gamma ray particle be dark energy not releasing its energy in 13 billion years of normal space/time or releasing in dark energy because they "know" without space/time how to release energy; and what is the effect if more than one max gamma ray particle (being beyond scattering) can be formed, go through space/time without changing, interacting with dark matter or releasing energy in normal space/time continuum producing matter thus releasing energy beyond space/time continuum in quantum multiversum and/or dark energy (energy must be released to get zero equilibrium universe or balancing the books in normal words versus containment of energy over 13 billion years since gamma ray burst and containing energy beyond "end universe" if particle is max charged and not interacting with our space/time universe) ?
    question-how high can you charge a gamma ray particle in big bang itself at that moment?
    question-the last one how many maximum gamma ray particles (beyond scattering) have we detected? excluding the big bang itself as being the max max gamma ray particle in this story releasing energy in multiple dimensions and or dark energy
    ps-max gamma ray particle and scattering in space time continuum at end universe are not compatible, release of energy remember max charged particle should happen at end/beginning of neverending universe
    pps-scattering: gamma ray particle produces one electron or positron and one gamma proton by itself without interaction or so it should be if its charge is low enough to let scattering happen
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  3. May 15, 2008 #2
    Dear Peter,

    I doubt anybody will care to answer such an awfully written message. Could you please make proper sentences and ask one question at a time ? You would thus get better attention from the PFers :smile:
  4. May 15, 2008 #3
    i was not aware of the fact that scientific questions should be asked in 3 word sentences
    please note that my reply has more words my excuse for that

    ps can you answer one of the questions?
  5. May 15, 2008 #4


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    Yes - when compared to the mass of a fundamental particle, gamma ray photons lose energy and are observed to be red-shifted.

  6. May 15, 2008 #5
    too much questions

    my general idea was to submit some questions about the life of gamma ray particles
    so that everybody reading the text could take one part of the life of a gamma ray particle and explain that part or maybe more

    one question then:
    are gamma ray particles charged beyond scattering immortal?
  7. May 15, 2008 #6


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    Could you explain what you mean by this question?

    Gamma rays are photons and photons do not carry charge.

    What do you you mean by "beyond scattering immortal"?

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  8. May 15, 2008 #7
    thats even more interesting

    if red shifted they are loosing energy at speeds higher than the speed of light but to what?
    where does the energy go if scattering is not an option (some of them must be too highly charged) ?
    of course the early universe makes higher than light speeds probable
  9. May 15, 2008 #8

    photons do not have positive or negative charge
    i meant quantum dynamics
    gamma ray particle sometimes have too much energy to scatter (form gamma proton and electron) so in vacuum space/time at the end of universe they must be immortal
    although this particle is no matter it has spin and direction thats what i mean with highly charged meaning highly energised
    gamma ray particle formed by positronium (main form of matter at end universe according to some theories) can scatter

    so gamma ray particles can have so much energy that they cannot scatter and in vacuum they would spin till eternity without releasing their energy
    photons do decay hence microwavebackground radiation were photons released 300000 years after big bang
    gamma ray particles shed their energy through scattering but if not possible in normal/space time creating gamma proton and electron they should loose their energy some place else
  10. May 15, 2008 #9


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    Photons are not losing "energy at speeds higher than the speed of light", also they are not "too highly charged, because, as I have said, they are not charged at all.

    Energy is a frame dependent quantity - For example, a photon emitted by one apparatus is observed to be red shifted when absorbed by a second apparatus that is moving away from the first. The energy of an individual photon does not 'go' anywhere.

    Gravitational red shift is an artefact of cosmological expansion.

  11. May 15, 2008 #10

    you are referring to optical redshift which is in the eye of the beholder
    in early universe objects realy did move faster than speed of light we call that inflation
    occurring in a flat universe which may also be in the eye of the beholder
    what is even more interesting is the fact that the photons did not change over 13 billion years
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  12. May 15, 2008 #11
    maybe i should refer to wimps massive unknown particles
    these gamma ray particles beyond scattering due to high energy state could be unknown maximum energised energy particles shed by either gamma ray burst or by big bang itself
  13. May 15, 2008 #12
    wimps are weakly interactive massive particles
    there might be highly energised particles like maximum gamma ray particles incapable of shedding energy in normal space/time
  14. May 16, 2008 #13
    i am new to this site and would have preferred to edit my article more carefully

    for what its worth the revised text follows:

    question-are some gamma ray particles unchanged after gamma ray burst 13 billion years ago?
    question-are changes detected not due to travel through normal space, interaction with baryonic matter, compton scattering? changes due to dark matter/energy?
    question-what happens to a gamma ray particle above 10MeV (scattering maybe not possible) if not disturbed (collision, interaction) for billions of years, travelling through the universe untill the end?
    question-how many gamma ray particles can survive in their original state untill the end of the universe, how many of them would be above 10MeV and what would be their influence on their surroundings at that point (interaction improbable due to vacuum at end universe and scattering unlikely)?
    question-can a gamma ray particle release energy in the form of dark energy?
    ps-normally a gamma ray particle would have interacted with gasclouds or gravitational forces on its x billion year travel through space but this interaction might not be enough for scattering to take place; wimps are killed at the end by superheavy galaxy mass black holes but what would happen to a gamma ray particle in GeV range or higher if it survives without interacting and or scattering untill that stage of the universe (or would all the gamma ray particles left be the ones formed by positronium who can decay through compton scattering)?
  15. May 19, 2008 #14
    Is the simple modificaton above easier to read or not??

    Dense blocks of text put people off...
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