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Life without government

  1. Mar 22, 2008 #1

    wolram

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    Could there be a civilised way to live without central government? suppose some catastrophe wiped out your countries government, would there be a priority to replace
    it?
     
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  3. Mar 22, 2008 #2
    That would be the wrong way to create an anarchy, since you have a massive power vacuum.
     
  4. Mar 22, 2008 #3
    If it would be possible to maintain laws without a governement, yes. I don't see how though.
     
  5. Mar 22, 2008 #4

    Kurdt

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    Belgium seems to be ticking over nicely.
     
  6. Mar 22, 2008 #5

    arildno

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    Well, unless retaliative measures can be indulged in, non-violent persons will be dominated by violent ones.
     
  7. Mar 22, 2008 #6

    wolram

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    Well i could be a Rambo but who is going to make my bullets?
     
  8. Mar 22, 2008 #7

    arildno

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    Well, you can be a bully without having bullets. For example, you can use your teeth and bite those you don't like.
     
  9. Mar 22, 2008 #8

    wolram

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    So without government we become a wolf pack?
     
  10. Mar 23, 2008 #9

    arildno

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    It is enough that some of us already are wolves.

    And that is not a controversial hypothesis.
     
  11. Mar 23, 2008 #10
    Anarchy only works in small communities, well at least compared to democracy. Anarchy is pretty much useless, maybe even more so than communism.
     
  12. Mar 23, 2008 #11

    arildno

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    Think of it this way, wolram:
    It only takes a single bully within a population of otherwise nice, inoffensive persons to spread misery.

    That is, an altruistic, benevolent anarchy is an unstable equilibrium with respect to a "bully perturbation". Only if the population acknowledges its own right to retaliate can its social system becom stable. But that in effect, amounts to some form of invested authority.
     
  13. Mar 23, 2008 #12

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    I think most democratic nations put a rather large priority in ensuring that such a catastrophe does not wipe out government in its entirety. In the US, for instance, there is a long chain of succession set up to replace the P, VP should anything happen to them, and all the members of this line can never be found within some specified radius of each other, should some catastrophe strike (if for no other reason than to give someone the responsibility to call for a nuclear strike, should the threat arise). If a giant chandelier fell on the President's podium during a State of the Union address, incapacitating Bush, Cheney and Pelosi, the person with his finger on the nuclear button would be a 91 year old man. They take the continuance of government pretty seriously out here.
     
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  14. Mar 23, 2008 #13

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    "Life without government" and "live without central government" are two different matters.

    Some form of government would exist in a society, if only to settle disputes/conflicts and ensure some level of stability.

    An interesting form of government is that of the Iroquois (Haudenosaunee) peoples.
     
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  15. Mar 23, 2008 #14

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    Whether you call it government or not, certainly some form of leadership needs to exist to prevent chaos. Basically, someone needs to be in charge of ensuring everyone gets their fair share of common resources, especially when those resources are spread out over great distances. You see this happening in any group situation. If everyone is trying to make decisions, or everyone just wants to follow orders, nothing gets accomplished, but if one or two people emerge as leaders, and the rest of the group sorts out into followers, or one group leader delegates leadership of smaller tasks to individuals, things will function more smoothly.

    Government is basically a way of delegating the levels of leadership so you avoid fighting amongst the potential leaders (except during campaign years of course :wink:).
     
  16. Mar 23, 2008 #15

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    Tom Clancy's "Debt of Honor" ends with a 9/11 style terrorist attack taking out pretty much the entire federal goverenment during the President's State of the Union Address. The sequel, aptly named, "Executive Orders" is how the government is rebuilt by our hero, Jack Ryan. Very interesting scenarios presented there.
     
  17. Mar 23, 2008 #16

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    Moonbear's description of government could be expanded to saying it is a power distribution system. Oligarchies, democracies, aristocracies, and authoritarian are different categories of whom having power over whom.
     
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  18. Mar 23, 2008 #17
    Governments are generally used to oppress people (or protect us from others that want to oppress us) and, since there are a lot of people out there that like to oppress other people, other governments would be immediately organized. This would be done both by people wanting to oppress and others who want to protect themselves from the first group.

    Those who refuse to join one group or the other will become slaves of the oppressors.
     
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  19. Mar 23, 2008 #18
    Predelegation certainly existed during Eisenhower's and Kennedy's administrations. Early in the Johnson tenure, predelegation became clasified and remains so. It is quite possible that a Navy Commander in Chicago has the button as well.
     
  20. Mar 24, 2008 #19

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    From what I know of it, it was an actual source of inspiration for the Founding Fathers, along with Enlightenment thoughts from the continent.
     
  21. Mar 24, 2008 #20

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    When i think about it governments do not prevent crime or bullying, they punish after the fact, if they can catch the perps that is.
     
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