# Limit Calculation

#### CalculusHelp1

1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data

Calculate the limit as x-->pi/4 of [tan(x-pi/4)+1]/x-pi/4

2. Relevant equations

lim h-->0 of [f(x+h)-f(x)]/h = f'(x)

lim x--->a [f(x)-f(a)]/(x-a) = f'(x)

3. The attempt at a solution

I've attempted to turn this equation into the form f(x)-f(a)/x-a by letting f(x)=tanx and a=pi/4

This turns into -[-tan(x+a)-tan(a)]/x-a......which isnt the correct derivative form. .I've tried other methods which also turn into similar garble (a minus sign backwards, x-h rather than x+h and the like).

Can anyone see what the problem is? Thanks

#### micromass

The limit

$$\lim_{x\rightarrow \pi/4}{\frac{\tan(x-\pi/4)+1}{x-\pi/4}}$$

Is of the form "1/0". Thus the limit is always $$+\infty$$ or $$-\infty$$ or it doesn't exist (if the left limit does not equal the right limit). Which one is it?

#### CalculusHelp1

Oh is is actually this easy?

In that case, I would think since the numerator will always be positive regardless of which side the limit approaches from, and the denominator will switch signs depending on which side it approaches from, then the limit from the left will be -infinity and will be +infinite from the right, then the limit will not exist.

Are you sure there isn't a way to do this with derivatives? I thought this is what the question was getting at

#### micromass

Yes, I know it looks a lot like a derivative. But this method is definitely simpler then to change the limit into a derivative (if there is a way of doing that).

I dont think that you can change this limit into a derivative-limit. A derivative will yield "0/0", while this is "1/0".

#### micromass

Well, if the question was

$$\lim_{x\rightarrow \pi/4}{\frac{\tan(x)-1}{x-\pi/4}}$$

Then you can do some derivative-stuff. But I don't really see a possibility here...

#### CalculusHelp1

Okay that makes sense. Thanks for the help

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