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In summary, the author has provided an answer to the given question, but the reader does not understand how it was computed. They are seeking help from members of Physics Forums and are open to any math help. The given equations show that the potential exists and there is a matter of convention in defining the potential.
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Let g(x) and h(y) be differentiable functions, and let f(x, y) = h(y)i+ g(x)j. Can f have a potential F(x, y)? If so, find it.

You may assume that F would be smooth.
(Hint: Consider the mixed partial derivatives of F.)
I don't have any idea about how to use the hint given by the author.
Author has given the answer to this question i-e F(x,y) = axy + bx + cy +d.
I don't understand how did the author compute this answer.

Would any member of Physics Forums enlighten me in this regard?

Any math help will be accepted.
 
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Because
## - \dfrac{\partial F}{\partial x} = h(y) ##
then
## \dfrac{\partial^2 F}{\partial x^2} = 0 ##

And we also have
##\dfrac{\partial^2 F}{\partial x \partial y } = \dfrac{\partial^2 F}{\partial y \partial x } ##

If you just want to show that the potential exists, then show that ##\vec \nabla \times \vec f = 0 ##
 
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drmalawi said:
Because
## - \dfrac{\partial F}{\partial x} = h(y) ##
then
## \dfrac{\partial^2 F}{\partial x^2} = 0 ##

And we also have
##\dfrac{\partial^2 F}{\partial x \partial y } = \dfrac{\partial^2 F}{\partial y \partial x } ##
Why is the sign negative for ## \frac{\partial{F}}{\partial{x}}= h(y)?## Would you explain that ?
 
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WMDhamnekar said:
Why is the sign negative for ## \frac{\partial{F}}{\partial{x}}= h(y)?## Would you explain that ?

Isn't the potential F(x,y) defined as ##\vec f = - \vec \nabla F## ?
 
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drmalawi said:
Isn't the potential F(x,y) defined as ##\vec f = - \vec \nabla F## ?
In the following corollary 4.6 ## \vec f \not= -\vec \nabla F ## Why?
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WMDhamnekar said:
In the following corollary 4.6 ## \vec f \not= -\vec \nabla F ## Why?
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Matter of convetion I guess, I have always used ##\vec f = - \vec \nabla F## as the definition as potential. But it does not matter, the math is the same, just follow your books conventions. And also -0 = 0 so...
 
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A line integral is a mathematical concept used in calculus and physics to calculate the total value of a function along a given path. It is represented by a curved line on a graph and is used to find the total area under the curve or the total work done along the path.

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