Well here's the discussion that always arises with my father and I. It has to do with the multiplication of 1 and 0 and the Commutative Law Given: In ordinary (real number) arithmetic [tex] x * y = y*x [/tex] The argument is that [tex] 0*1 = 0 [/tex] and [tex] 1*0=0 [/tex] should not be Commutative. in a purely mathematical sense this seems very logical. But, in a philosophical sense of tangible objects it does not. For example. I have nothing or zero apples and I multiply this by 1 apple, the result I still have nothing as there was nothing to multiply. This logic is acceptable. I have one apple and I multiply it by zero apples, which seems to possess some logic. Although this is supposed to lead to a result of having zero apples. But this is not the case the result is I still have my original apple. No one took it away synonymous with subtraction. So what are your thoughts ???