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Looking for a Quote from The Old Testament

  1. Jan 14, 2006 #1
    I am seeking a quote, from the Old Testament, that depicts God as an opressive being. If someone can direct me to one, I would greatly appreciate it.
     
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  3. Jan 14, 2006 #2

    Pengwuino

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    Define "opressive" and how exactly can someones entire personality be depicted in a single quote? What is this, a political blog? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
     
  4. Jan 14, 2006 #3

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    What about when God killed everybody on Earth except Noah and his family? That's kind of oppressive.
     
  5. Jan 14, 2006 #4

    Evo

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    Oh my, there are tons. I don't have a bible with me, I moved it from the bathroom and misplaced it, but for instance there is the time he got angry with some guy because he told him to destroy some city and "kill every man, woman, child and animal" because they weren't worshiping him and the guy spared some of them and God got really angry. Lots of those kinds of things in the old testament. God wasn't very nice.
     
  6. Jan 14, 2006 #5
    I'm trying to write an essay, and, in it, I will be comparing Napoleon, from George Orwell's Animal Farm, to God (specifically The Old Testament version). Furthermore, the essay deals with religious oppression; therefore, I am looking for a quote that shows God's oppressive nature or his belief in objectivity.
     
  7. Jan 14, 2006 #6

    JamesU

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    You're comparing god to a talking pig?


    that's kinda wierd.
     
  8. Jan 14, 2006 #7
    Was that really necessary? Even if you aren't Jewish/Christian, that does not mean you should mention their holy book in such a disrespectful manner.
     
  9. Jan 14, 2006 #8

    Evo

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    I'd have to find the bible and find the passages. :bugeye: I'll find some for you.

    The Extermination of the Canaanites

    When the Israelites were commissioned to take the land of Canaan, the Lord instructed them to smite completely the peoples, and to show no mercy upon them (Deuteronomy 7:1-5). Accordingly, when Israel invaded Jericho, for example, we are informed:

    “And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, both young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword” (Joshua 6:21).
     
  10. Jan 14, 2006 #9

    Disrespectful manner ..................... please :uhh:
     
  11. Jan 14, 2006 #10

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    Just start reading Genesis. Even for a slow reader, I don't think it would take more than 10 minutes to find a suitable quote. I once started reading it out of curiosity, keeping a pen with me to underline the "interesting" parts. I ran out of ink pretty quickly.


    That's interesting, I thought he was supposed to represent a Communist dictator...though I suppose said dictators play the role of a god of sorts.
     
  12. Jan 14, 2006 #11
    I found the death of the first born children as the last plague in Exodus to be quite oppressive. (Exodus 11:1-10, 12:1-42)
     
  13. Jan 15, 2006 #12

    honestrosewater

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    Edit: Oh, sorry, I missed the OT part the first time. The same and similar ideas are there too.

    I would look for ideas that have actually caused oppression. This one might have helped to put and keep women in their place -- subordinate baby-makers for the virtuous men, who were, by the bye, literally first. I think its offense might even admitted by the rewordings of the "newer and improved" versions.

    In case the link doesn't work (the first quote is from the King James Version of 1611):
     
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  14. Jan 15, 2006 #13

    arildno

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    To wilfully appear as a burning bush is extremely oppressive (or, at least, punitive), IMO, considering the cultural context in which God chose to do so.

    In such a desert country, not a single bush can be wasted (think of the berries lost for human consumption as a result of this rash act).
     
  15. Jan 15, 2006 #14
    it would be cool to study the bible someday, just to see what's in there. chomsky has said it's the most genocidal book in our entire canon, but i guess there are a few good lessons, etc in there also.
     
  16. Jan 15, 2006 #15

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    And another clear sign of his misogynic tendencies.


    Hey, where are we going, and why am I in this handbasket?
     
  17. Jan 15, 2006 #16
    "And following God's command the young prophet Trib had the tip of his penis severed. And God was happy." Tribdocius 3:12
     
  18. Jan 17, 2006 #17
    Did you guys get to the part where he said he would never flood the world again? Anyways if you guys would read the
    New Testiment then you would discover that God would appear much nicer. Why is that? It is because of Jesus dying on the cross, to pay for everyone sins. It is like a safety buffer, otherwise we would all go to hell if we did not scarfice a couple animals every week. And for the part of him not changing at all, life is harsh and people deserve "to reap as they sow". Though do not view the bible as telling people to be war mongers and killers. Such versus as "Leave vegance to the lord" suggest my point.
    You guys really have to read the entire book before you speculate like that, otherwise you just look like idiots who pick up buzz words in the first ten pages.
    -Scott
     
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  19. Jan 17, 2006 #18
    Yeah, idiots, sorta like not reading the origional question that talks about the old testament, and giving an anwser based on the new testament. For a religious scholar, you should at least spell testament correctly. Unless you speak some sort of Australian -G'day whatcha reading there? The test-i-MATE!
     
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  20. Jan 17, 2006 #19
    :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
    i dont see it as a kind of opression having the tip of your penis severed :biggrin:
     
  21. Jan 17, 2006 #20
    My bad but I am sure my misspelling is a testament to the rest of the gross misspelling on this website.
    -Scott
     
  22. Jan 17, 2006 #21

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    Actually, as I noted, I somehow missed or forgot the Old Testament requirement the first time too -- mine was from the New Testament, and I find it extremely oppressive.

    By the way, I'm talking about words in a book. If someone believes that those are the words of someone or something who they love or respect, I hope you don't think I necessarily intend any disrespect. :smile:
     
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  23. Jan 17, 2006 #22
    I think the New Testament god is the replacement of the Old Testament god who got fired for being a dick. But he's only a temp.
     
  24. Jan 17, 2006 #23
    I don't know why you call the bible oppressive to women. That same passage you pulled out of Peter also contains versus telling husbands to honor their wives. Besides this it does not encourage women only to be useful for show and sex, but says in Peter 3:3-4 "Do not let your adornment be merely outward-arranging the hair, wearing gold, or putting on fine apparel- rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptable beauty of a gentle and queit spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God." I do not see any problem. I mean if guys honored the wives the way they should as stated in Peter 4, then how would they be oppressed. I mean its not like women outside marriage are without the same rights, as men. Several books in the bible are about single women doing great things which include Ruth and Ester. I admit that women are not the equals in a marriage in the bible, but at least be balanced in your arguements. Really this should continue in the philosphy forum to prevent people from throwing in meaningless unsupported comments (Tribdog).
    -Scott
     
  25. Jan 18, 2006 #24
    How about the verses on the ten commandments, especially verse 5.

    Exodus 20:
    2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
    3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
    4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
    5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
    6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
    7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
    8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
    9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
    10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
    11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
    12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
    13 Thou shalt not kill.
    14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
    15 Thou shalt not steal.
    16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
    17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
     
  26. Jan 18, 2006 #25

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    Assuming you're talking to me, I didn't call the Bible oppressive to women. I think some verses in it are, but I don't assume that the Bible is consistent, so that it expresses only one view on a subject isn't something I would argue without actually studying the entire Bible.

    Do you honestly not know why I find
    oppressive to women? (That is 1 Timothy 2:11-15, BTW) It seems to me like mostly a matter of knowing the meaning of the words, and I don't think I'm up for a discussion where we can't start by agreeing what words normally mean -- I just don't know how to question the nomral meaning of all words at the same time. Perhaps the possible implications of Adam being created first aren't so clear, but c'mon, do you know what usurp and subjection mean? Am I misunderstanding them? If I wanted to be president of the US -- I am a woman, by the way -- and these verses were in our Constitution, would it prevent me from doing so?

    I thought of verses that were oppressive in my opinion because that's what the OP asked for.

    If the Bible contains other verses that seem to contradict this one, I don't see their relevance. Are the others needed to create the right context in which to interpret these verses? For example, perhaps women is used to mean married woman (not that I think married women can't be oppressed). I mean, I'll certainly consider that I didn't interpret it as it was intended. But if you say today that you hate me, the fact that you said yesterday that you loved me doesn't make me think you don't hate me.
     
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