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How does M theory force gravity as a necessity when the standard model couldn't fit in gravity???

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How does M theory force gravity as a necessity when the standard model couldn't fit in gravity???

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M-theory should have some supergravity theory as low energy limit. Are you asking if the standard model fits into some supergravity theory?

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I think it works like this:How does M theory force gravity as a necessity when the standard model couldn't fit in gravity???

The standard model describes the forces using

M theory describes the forces using

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It's not ironic, it's a serious question. As far as I know, none have been proven, but I only follow as an amateur. After periods of hopes, there has been for a few decades a general belief that no practical definition (allowing computations) of "spin-2 gravitation" would be perturbatively renormalizable, but even this belief has been challenged again lately.

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There are recent results that certain supergravity models might be finite to all orders w/o infinities (they cancel in each order due to the large symmetry).

It has not been proven that string theory is finite to all orders. In is known hat certain infinities are absent, but as far as I know it is not clear if no new infinitires could appear at higher genus.

It has not been proven that summing the prturbaruon series produces a finite answer. I guess that the seroies is (as usual) an asymprtotoc series which diverges eventually. One reason is that you simply neglect non-perturbatibe aspects. This is comparable to QCD: the series itself is divergent (as you can see from the scaling of running coupling constant);

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I will say, it has always seemed a bit weird to me that we match the problem "if we add a graviton to the standard model, no one anymore knows how to calculate anything" with the solution "we will switch to String Theory, where no one knows how to calculate anything". Did we solve the problem here or just hide it behind a bigger one...?Was it proven that string theory is finite to all orders ?

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- no central equation of principle for the whole program

- perturbative finiteness only wishful thinking

- unified theory (M-theory) not rigorously constructed

- no background independence (= requires flat space-time!)

- not falsifiable by experiment

But there is currently no alternative! Loop Quantum Gravity (which is in my opinion very successfull) addresses only gravity.

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