Dismiss Notice
Join Physics Forums Today!
The friendliest, high quality science and math community on the planet! Everyone who loves science is here!

Mag. component of positive charges

  1. Sep 26, 2004 #1
    Hello scientists,

    I'm unable to make any advances with this small problem.. two equal and positive charges (q) travel (in the same direction) at a speed (v), and are parallel to each other, at separation (r).
    Derive an expression for the force between them, in the form of:
    F = Felec(1 - [correction term]).
    If anyone could shed some light on this or provide some insight it would be great thanks
     
  2. jcsd
  3. Sep 26, 2004 #2

    Tide

    User Avatar
    Science Advisor
    Homework Helper

    There are three approaches you might try:

    (a) Calculate both the magnetic field due to one of the charges at the location of the other charge then calculate the Lorentz force (electrostatic plus v cross B).

    (b) Calculate the static electric field in a frame of reference moving along with the charges and then use the Lorentz transformation to find the electrostatic and magnetic fields in the stationary frame of reference.

    (c) Same as (b) except you calculate the force in the moving frame and the use the Lorentz transform to find the force in the stationary frame.

    I suspect you're interested in (a).
     
  4. Sep 26, 2004 #3
    Hmm thanks for the notes,
    I get hints that I should use the Biot-savart law B = (mo/4p)(I.dL/r2) (m = mu, p = pi), and replace I.dL with data given in the question
     
  5. Sep 26, 2004 #4

    Tide

    User Avatar
    Science Advisor
    Homework Helper

    Sounds like a great start!
     
  6. Sep 26, 2004 #5
    I'm still having some trouble relating the two :(
     
  7. Sep 26, 2004 #6

    Tide

    User Avatar
    Science Advisor
    Homework Helper

    Think of the current as charge divided by a time interval and L as the speed times the time interval. The time interval will cancel out and you should get your magnetic field.
     
  8. Sep 26, 2004 #7
    Well..
    B = (mo/4p)(qv/r^2)
    I'm unfamiliar with how to connect it with 'F = Felec(1 - [correction term])'

    Thanks alot for the ideas and help by the way
     
  9. Sep 26, 2004 #8

    Tide

    User Avatar
    Science Advisor
    Homework Helper

    If you learned about Biot-Savart then you should be able to determine the direction of the magnetic field. The magnetic force will be q v X b (vector cross product) which you will find is along a vector connecting the two charged particles (be careful with the signs). Finally, just add the electrostatic force.
     
  10. Sep 27, 2004 #9
    take all forces in account, calculate them using integration (calculus).
    I think answer is come with it.
     
Know someone interested in this topic? Share this thread via Reddit, Google+, Twitter, or Facebook

Have something to add?