# Magnetic field with solenoid, have work; need help

1. Apr 1, 2008

### Th3Proj3ct

1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data

A solenoid 10.0 cm in diameter and 77.2 cm long is made from copper wire of diameter 0.100 cm, with very thin insulation. The wire is wound onto a cardboard tube in a single layer, with adjacent turns touching each other. What power must be delivered to the solenoid if it is to produce a field of 8.00 mT at its center?

2. Relevant equations
Alright, I know
B=μnI , I=B/μn
n=N/L
R=ρl/A
l=2πr(N)
A=π*radius(wire)^2
and P=I2R

3. The attempt at a solution

I've gotten all these equations, but just cant put them together >_<
n=N/L=772/.772=1000 turns per length
I=B/μn = 8e-3/(μ*1000) = 6.3662A

now just for R,
R=ρl/A
l=2πrN = 2(3.1415)(.05)(772) = 242.53
A=π*radius(wire)^2= (3.1415)(.0005)^2 = 7.854e-7
R=(1.7e-8*0.314159)/(7.854e-7)
= 5.25

So, P = RI^2 = 5.25*6.3662^2 = 212.77W !!

Last edited: Apr 1, 2008
2. Apr 1, 2008

### Snazzy

772 is not your turns per length, it is your total number of turns for that solenoid.

3. Apr 1, 2008

### Th3Proj3ct

Was that how I was supposed to figure that out? The number of turns was one of the biggest issues I had in this problem.

n is supposed to be the turns per length though, right? And to do that I should take the total number of turns divided by the overall length, which would be 772/(2πr) or 772/0.3141592?

4. Apr 1, 2008

### Snazzy

The number of turns you have for a solenoid is a unitless number. You did the right thing by finding the total number of turns by dividing the length of your solenoid by the diameter of the wire. Good. Now you have 772 turns. This is your capital N variable. If you want to find small n, i.e., the number of turns per length, you'd have to divide the number of turns you have by the length of your solenoid. The length of your solenoid is not $$2\pi r$$.

5. Apr 1, 2008

### Th3Proj3ct

small n is what's needed in the function for the magnetic force(B) though, and if I do that, I just get 772/.772 (if 77.2cm is the length), so the little n is 1000?

btw is the other stuff looking right?

Edit: And thanks for all the help, this problem has been driving me crazy.

6. Apr 1, 2008

### Snazzy

It doesn't matter what formula you use. You could use:

$$B=\frac{ \mu_0 N I}{L}$$

or:

$$B= \mu_0 n I$$

where:

$$n=\frac{N}{L}$$

Everything else seems to be fine. I believe, however, that the length of the copper wire would be the circumference of one wire multiplied by the total number of wires.

Last edited: Apr 1, 2008
7. Apr 1, 2008

### Th3Proj3ct

As I said before, thanks a ton; it all really helped. I was able to finally get the right answer and yes you were right [i edited the original post with the correct work, giving the correct answer. Very much appreciated!

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