How Does Electron Size Impact Covariance in Quantum Field Theory?

In summary, Dirac thought that QFT could not exist if the electron were not point-like, and that this problem with making the theory covariant would lead to infinities that have to be renormalized. If an electron isn't point-like, and a field theory for electricity was based on this idea, then theorists seem to think that the electron must be made covariant. However, what if it doesn't have to be covariant?
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kurious
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What is meant by " if an electron has size it would be difficult to be make covariant" in quantum field theory.Does this mean the electron would
behave differently in different frames of reference,or does it just mean that the electron would not be in a state that allows it to fit into the mathematical
framework of QFT which I assume involves tensor analysis.And could an
electron ,that has size, be broken down into a series of points and each point be made "covariant" , and then all the covariant results be added
together to represent the electron overall?
 
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Normally covariant means the equations are the same in any frame of reference, so indeed covariant electrons behave in the exact same way in each frame. I don't really know what you mean by size, but could it be that you mean mass??

Because an electron in QFT cannot have mass before the spontanous breakdown of symmetry. The reason for this is that mass mixes the left and right-hand sized chirality component of the elektron wave function. It is so that these two components are fundamentally different so any elementary particle must have mass zero in order to be convariant (in order to behave in the same way in every frame).

Mass is generated by the Higgs-mechanism.
 
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Maybe he's talking about Dirac spinors?
 
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Tom Mattson said:
Maybe he's talking about Dirac spinors?


Possible, but when you are talking about spinors, you are really talking about the elektronspin, right ?

In this case i don't see no pronblems concerning covariance, because the transformation-properties of the spinorrepresentation are well known. Turn 360° and we get the opposite spin, turn another 360° and we get the spinorientation from which we started.

I don't know, just a thougt...
 
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I meant that an electron isn't a point-like particle when I said "size".
QFT can't be done if an electron isn't point-like.Is that correct?
And I think it can't be done because of this problem with making the theory covariant when an electron isn't point-like.Dirac didn't think QFT was a good theory becuase he didn't think the correct field theory for electricity would give rise to infinities that have to be renormalized.If an electron isn't point-like
and a field theory for electricity was based on this idea, then theorists seem to think that the electron must be made covariant.But what if it doesn't have to be covariant?
 
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kurious said:
I meant that an electron isn't a point-like particle when I said "size".
QFT can't be done if an electron isn't point-like.Is that correct?
And I think it can't be done because of this problem with making the theory covariant when an electron isn't point-like.Dirac didn't think QFT was a good theory becuase he didn't think the correct field theory for electricity would give rise to infinities that have to be renormalized.If an electron isn't point-like
and a field theory for electricity was based on this idea, then theorists seem to think that the electron must be made covariant.But what if it doesn't have to be covariant?


In QFT the elementary particles must be pointlike with no internal structure. The reason for this is that if they were to have a dimension, they would undergo a Lorentz-Fitzgeral-Contraction because we always need to have a finit propagation-speed between different reference frames. So particles with dimension would be deformed due to tidal-force-effects. This cannot be the case as explained by experiments.

I don't get what you mean by Dirac his dislike for the fieldtheory for electricity. It is so that he had a problem with the fact that Maxwellequations did not contain perfect symmetry between electricity and magnetism. There is no "brother" for electric charges. That is why he introduced the concept of magnetic monopoles back in 1948. It is so that these monopoles have yet to be seen in experiments, though they do exist in there as an antisymmetric tensorfield, called the Dirac-string. These things are used in the creation of a lineair potential in order to explain the quarkconfinement.

Also pay attention to the fact that in field-theories alla yang-Mills, the electronwavefuntion is always covariant. it is this model that predicts the fotonfield as a bosonic field which is to be viewed as the force-carrie field. the reason why force carries have integer spin comes from the second-quantization-procedure. They had to be indistiguishable in order to respect the canonical commutationrelations of the second-quantization. if these rules are not respected fotons would have un-phisical-properties like negative-probability-amplitude. They would become things like ghosts from a fadeev-Popov-determinant.


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nikolaas van der heyden
 
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Marlon:
particles with dimension would be deformed due to tidal-force-effects

Kurious:

How do we know that Lorentz-Fitzgerald contraction occurs at very small distance scales?
Has anyone ever considered the idea that length contraction in special relativity could be quantized and that the radius of a particle could stay constant for observers over a wide range of velocities?
 
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What is meant by "Making electrons covariant"?

"Making electrons covariant" refers to the process of redefining the mathematical framework used to describe the behavior of electrons in physics. It involves using the principles of relativity and symmetry to create a more consistent and accurate representation of electron behavior.

Why is it important to make electrons covariant?

Making electrons covariant is important because it allows for a more unified understanding of the behavior of electrons in various physical phenomena. It also helps to reconcile discrepancies between different theories and experimental results.

How is the covariant framework different from traditional methods of describing electrons?

The covariant framework is based on the principles of relativity and symmetry, while traditional methods often rely on classical mechanics and non-covariant equations. This allows for a more accurate and consistent description of electron behavior, especially at high speeds.

What are some practical applications of making electrons covariant?

The covariant framework has a wide range of applications, including in the fields of particle physics, quantum mechanics, and cosmology. It has also been used in the development of technologies such as particle accelerators and nuclear reactors.

What are some remaining challenges in making electrons covariant?

There are still some challenges in fully incorporating the principles of relativity and symmetry into the covariant framework, particularly in understanding the behavior of electrons in extreme conditions such as high energies or strong gravitational fields. Additionally, further research is needed to fully integrate the covariant framework with other theories such as quantum mechanics and general relativity.

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