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The others were most decidedly NOT random! They targeted Americans (and civilians for most)!Evo said:Because this guy targeted the LGBT community, it wasn't random as the others you mentioned were.
The others were most decidedly NOT random! They targeted Americans (and civilians for most)!Evo said:Because this guy targeted the LGBT community, it wasn't random as the others you mentioned were.
It's a brilliant speech. I almost forgot that politicians are capable of being sincere.lisab said:I was moved by this speech by the Lieutenant Governor of Utah - male, straight, conservative, Republican. Seriously, it's worth watching:
Murphy And Democrats Lead Senate Filibuster In Bid To Force Gun Control Debate
As the day wore on, a stream of Democrats came to the floor to speak, relieving Murphy for brief stretches as the filibuster stretched into the evening, with 40 joining the effort by late Wednesday.
Dear Mr. Zuckerberg:
The Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs is examining the June 12, 2016 terrorist attack in Orlando, Florida. It is my understanding that Omar Mateen used Facebook before and during the attack to search for and post terrorism-related content. I appreciate Facebook’s support of the law-enforcement investigation into this attack and previous attacks. While Facebook is not a target of the Committee’s inquiry, I respectfully request your assistance with the Committee’s inquiry.
According to information obtained by my staff, five Facebook accounts were apparently associated with Omar Mateen. On June 12, 2016, Mateen apparently searched for “Pulse Orlando” and “Shooting.” Mateen also apparently posted “America and Russia stop bombing the Islamic state..I pledge my alliance to abu bakr al Baghdadi..may Allah accept me.” He then posted “The real muslims will never accept the filthy ways of the west” and “You kill innocent women and children by doing us airstrikes..now taste the Islamic state vengeance.” In a final post, Mateen apparently wrote, “In the next few days you will see attacks from the Islamic state in the usa.” ...
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Ron Johnson
Chairman
OmCheeto said:It looks as though the filibuster has come to an end.
WASHINGTON — The F.B.I. director said on Monday that the gunman in the mass killing in Orlando was on a terrorist watchlist from 2013 to 2014, but that months of intense investigation into his foreign travels, his inflammatory language with co-workers and his possible motivations did not produce enough evidence to arrest him.
(Should they have landed him on the NICS's "dont sell this guy a gun" list ? jh)
The director, James B. Comey Jr., defended his agency’s handling of its past inquiries into the gunman, Omar Mateen, telling reporters that there had been no indication that F.B.I. agents in Florida missed any chances to apprehend or prosecute Mr. Mateen before the deadly rampage in which he proclaimed his allegiance to the Islamic State.
The attack highlighted the difficulty the American government faces in addressing the threat from the terrorist group. Unlike Al Qaeda, which favored highly organized and planned operations, the Islamic State has encouraged anyone to take up arms in its name. Often, that means the F.B.I. is looking to identify people who have committed no crime.
Once the F.B.I. closes an investigation, agents are required to remove the targets from terrorism watchlists. That rule is intended to prevent the United States from keeping secretive, open-ended watchlists based on suspicions that are ultimately unfounded.
Tried opening your png but keep getting an error.jim hardy said:There's some achievable compromise between positions of NRA and HCI.
But - Can you infringe the 2nd without also infringing the 1st.?
that png was an error1oldman2 said:Tried opening your png but keep getting an error.
Mateen doesn't strike me as that much different than countless other people within other "intolerance" groups. (White supremacists, etc)jim hardy said:Mateen shouldn't have slipped by.
There's some achievable compromise between positions of NRA and HCI.
But - Can you infringe the 2nd without also infringing the 1st.?
Assault weapon = ugly gunOmCheeto said:... millions of people own assault weapons makes this sticky.
While the term “assault weapons” has long been used globally to describe a broad variety of military and non-military weapons, those weapons were not defined by specific characteristics in America’s legal system until Congress approved the AWB
The Basis for an Assault Weapon Classification
Most nations do not use the term “assault weapon” to classify civilian weaponry. In the United States, the term was rarely used before gun control political efforts emerged in the 1980s. In 1989, California became the first U.S. state to identify and outlaw assault weapons.
Also in 1989, the U.S. prohibited several types of semi-automatic rifles from being imported. Those rifles were among the weapons that would eventually be banned by the AWB in 1994. Many of them were a version of the Russian military’s AK-47.
Several thousand of those semi-automatic rifles, which were manufactured in China, had been purchased by American gun owners.
The term “assault weapon” was a spin-off of the U.S. military’s definition of assault rifles. The U.S. Department of Defense has long defined assault rifles as fully automatic rifles used for military purposes.
Fully-automatic weapons have been prohibited in the U.S. since the National Firearms Act of 1934. Fully-automatic firearms can spray fire with a single pull of the trigger, while semi-automatic guns fire one shot with each pull of the trigger.
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In general, the AWB defined any firearm with a detachable magazine and at least two of certain other characteristics as an assault weapon.
For rifles, those characteristics included:
For shotguns:
- Telescoping stock
- Pistol grip
- Bayonet mount
- Grenade launcher
- Flash suppressor
For handguns:
- Telescoping stock
- Pistol grip
- A capacity to hold more than five rounds
- Threaded barrels made to attach a barrel extender, handgrip or flash suppressor
- A barrel shroud that can be used as a handhold
- Weight of at least 50 oz. when unloaded
ISIS Maniac Kills 50 in Gay Club
"He swore allegiance to Isis then shot 50 dead"
ISIS 'posted kill list online to inspire lone wolf attacks against thousands of Americans including 600 in Florida'
l’Isis rivendica, "Mateen era dei nostri" [ISIS claims , Mateen was ours]
Tuerie d’Orlando : l’obsession homophobe de l’Etat islamique [Slaughter in Orlando: homophobic obsession of the Islamic State]
MASSACRE Orlando Mass Shooting Deadliest in U.S. History.
50 Dead in Orlando Club Massacre. Thanks NRA.
Islamic Terrorist Kills 50
jim hardy said:Well now...
We wouldn't want to start a war , would we ?
Dotini said:Either way, it is hard to see any effective measures currently being taken to stop mass shootings. On the contrary, they seem to be increasing. Must we suppose they are essentially part of the price to be paid for technologies such as the semi-auto rifle and the internet? Eliminating the internet would be easier than eliminating firearms, and perhaps it would be more effective?
Ivan Seeking said:Or do you wish to glorify ISIS by giving them credit where none is due?
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/13/us/orlando-shooting-isis-ramadan-attacks/index.html
(CNN)The deadliest terrorist attack on U.S. soil since 9/11 followed a clarion call by ISIS to its supporters in the United States to launch attacks during Ramadan, the Islamic Holy Month, which started last week.
In an audio recording released on May 21, ISIS spokesman Abu Mohammed al Adnani called for "a month of hurt" in the United States as well as Europe.
His message to ISIS sympathizers like Orlando shooter Omar Mateen: Stay home and kill anybody, anyhow, anywhere.
http://www.nytimes.com/live/orlando-nightclub-shooting-live-updates/isis-radio-station/
http://www.nytimes.com/live/orlando-nightclub-shooting-live-updates/isis-radio-station
One day after the worst mass shooting in United States history, the Islamic State’s official radio station issued a statement formally claiming responsibility for the attack. The announcement, on the Al Bayan station of the Islamic State, comes on the heels of a similar, brief statement on Sunday, made through the terrorist group’s news agency.
In the radio announcement on Monday, the Islamic State, also known as ISIS or ISIL, describes the gunman, Omar Mateen, as “one of the soldiers of the Caliphate,” a term used by the group both to refer to its fighters enlisted under its command on the battlegrounds of Syria and Iraq, as well as to adherents who act in the name of the Islamic State, even if they have with no direct ties to the group.
“With facilitation from Allah the Almighty, the brother Omar Mateen, one of the soldiers of the Caliphate in America, carried out a security raid in which he was able to enter into a gathering of Crusaders in a nightclub for followers of the people of Lot in Orlando, Florida,” the radio announcement said, using a term for gays, according to a translation provided by the SITE Intelligence Group, which tracks extremist propaganda. “Allah enabled him to subdue the impure Crusaders, killing and wounding more than a hundred of them before he was killed — may Allah accept him. It should be pointed out that this invasion is the largest in America in terms of the number killed.”
Dotini said:...Either way, it is hard to see any effective measures currently being taken to stop mass shootings. ...
mheslep said:leaving the conclusion that people in the White House simply don't like the Americans they describe as those that "cling to guns".
Tobias Funke said:Anything but the very real problem of easy access to weapons that kill 50 people in minutes.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/psychologist-who-tested-mateen-for-security-job-did-same-for-another-killer/ar-AAh6qvf
FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. — The psychologist who administered the test that established Orlando killer Omar Mateen as mentally fit to carry concealed weapons as a private security guard did the same for another South Florida killer who worked for the same company.
Carol Nudelman, who had an office on Red Road in South Miami, administered the tests that determined Mateen was “mentally and emotionally stable,” according to an application for a Class G firearms license released Wednesday by the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services. It’s unclear from the application whether the evaluation involved anything more than giving him a standard written test.
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Mateen, who killed 49 people early Sunday at a gay club in Orlando, had also worked as a security guard for G4S. He held two licenses from the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services: a Class D security officer license and a Class G firearms license.
The gun license allowed him to carry up to two firearms. The psychological evaluation by Nudelman was conducted on Sept. 6, 2007, according to his firearm license application.
jim hardy said:And just how is "easy access" relevant to the Orlando shooting ?
Mateen didn't have easy access, he was cleared by a psychologist to carry a gun and was issued a license.
Tobias Funke said:>>
And just how is "easy access" relevant to the Orlando shooting ?
Mateen didn't have easy access, he was cleared by a psychologist to carry a gun and was issued a license.
That seems fairly easy to me. I don't think just anybody should be allowed to have certain kinds of weapons no matter what
jim hardy said:As i said 47 posts earlier somebody is actively mining smolderers.
You don't have to press an "Ignite" button , just fan the embers.
http://wgno.com/2016/06/14/orlando-shooter-threatened-to-shoot-up-his-school-in-fifth-grade/Omar Mateen terrorized his Florida grade school by threatening to go on a shooting spree; multiple former classmates told TMZ.
The celebrity news site spoke with Mateen’s 5th-grade classmate Leslie Hall. She said Mateen told a group of kids at Mariposa Elementary he was going to bring a gun to school and kill everyone
i don't think we know just yet what it was.Ivan Seeking said:Again, this was not an ISIS attack.
Telephone records should yea or nay that oneHe made two religious pilgrimages to Saudi Arabia .About 45 minutes after Omar Mateen began shooting up Pulse nightclub in Orlando early Sunday, a News 13 producer in the city received a phone call that he says was from the killer. Matthew Gentili said he answered one of the many phone calls coming into ask about the shooting, but this one was different. “I will never forget the words he said to me,” he said. “I answered the phone as I always do: ‘News 13, this is Matt.’ And on the other end, I heard, ‘Do you know about the shooting?’” Then, a man claiming to be Mateen responded: “I’m the shooter. It’s me. I am the shooter.” Then the man said, “I did it for ISIS. I did it for the Islamic State.” At one point, the caller began speaking Arabic. Gentili asked where he was, but the man said it was “none of my [expletive] business.” Gentili said in an interview, “It was silent for a while. I asked him: ‘Is there anything else you want to say?’ He said no and hung up the phone.” Gentili was interviewed at home by FBI agents after everything was over. A managing editor at the station tracked the number back to Omar Mateen, though agents wouldn’t confirm his identity.
Ivan Seeking said:Agencies like Fox News have done a fine job of that!
jim hardy said:And just how is "easy access" relevant to the Orlando shooting ?
Mateen didn't have easy access, he was cleared by a psychologist to carry a gun and was issued a license.
lisab said:The screening was a requirement for employment as a security guard. Had he failed, he could have gone out and bought those same weapons without any psychological screening at all.
StatGuy2000 said:There has been increased speculation that Omar Mater's motive may have been fueled by his own self-hatred due to possibly being a closeted homosexual himself.
See the following link from The Daily Beast.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...es-desperate-ignorant-orlando-blame-game.html
Sirwan Kajjo
June 13, 2016 4:37 PM
In pledging allegiance to the Islamic State (IS) group while in the midst of his deadly shooting spree in Orlando, Florida, Omar Mateen was displaying the radical terrorist organization's worldview..
And that, analysts said, is what sets IS apart from terrorist organizations of the past. IS philosophy, readily available on the internet, has become ingrained in thousands of jihadists worldwide. And even if there is no direct contact with IS — as was apparently the case with Mateen — the dangerous ideology can fuel waves of terrorism.
An Imam is the officiating priest in a mosque.HossamCFD said:Almost. It's Imam.
Iman is also an Arabic word, meaning faith/belief.It's a sick interpretation alright. But I'm not sure why you deem it incorrect. I'd say it's as correct/incorrect as Sufism, Quranism, Ahmadiyya or any other relatively peaceful sect of Islam.
Not trying to pick an argument about religion. My condolences to the victims, their families, the LGBT community, and the US public in general.
Bob Wolf said:He sent up warning flares and the FBI did a profile check into his activities. I still believe they sparsely investigated the magnitude of his banter.
Comey said the Bureau is reviewing those cases to see if anything was missed. “We’re also going to look hard at our own work to see whether there is something we should have done differently. So far, the honest answer is: I don’t think so. I don’t see anything in reviewing our own work that our agents should have done differently.”
Yes. That's what I said.Bob Wolf said:An Imam is the officiating priest in a mosque.
jim hardy said:I don't know where it'll go.
Other sources claim radical islamic ties
http://nation.foxnews.com/2016/06/12/orlando-massacre-gunmans-radical-ties-isis-claims-shooter-their-own-was-follower-ex-conVoice of America says this:
http://www.voanews.com/content/orla...e-potential-radicalize-from-afar/3374341.html