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Masuru Emoto wins Randis million?

  1. Oct 18, 2006 #1
    Here is a story about Masuru Emoto (the water guy from what the bleep) i found on a blog. First of all, here are some words by Randi the million dollar person:

    Now such a double blind test has been performed by Dean Radin:
    Perhaps there really is something to Emoto's claims?
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  3. Oct 19, 2006 #2


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    Radin is of course eligible for the prize. But he must apply for the prize and accept to be tested under controlled conditions by an independent jury.
    The rules of the test must be agreed upon by the applyant and by the jury.
  4. Oct 19, 2006 #3


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    This is absolute nonsense. Radin is considered a crackpot, just read about him. It's obvious that the positive intentions bounced off the shielded room and hit the "control" water in error. :rofl:
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    I'm using my psychic powers to predict that neither Emoto nor Radin will dare to apply for the million dollars.
  6. Oct 19, 2006 #5


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    Doesn't this experiment merely "prove" that the positive thoughts of the 2000 people affected the judgements of the 100 judges? Were the judges wearing tin-foil hats?
  7. Oct 20, 2006 #6
    How many photos did the analyst take from each sample? Was the sample size 1 photo from each? or hundreds, thousands? Doesnt this rocess pretty much put everything at the discretion of the person taking images of the crystal samples. Im also assuming that more than one crystal type forms in each sample, due to the fairly randomness of dendritic growth, right?
  8. Oct 20, 2006 #7
    Im afraid u will have to pay to get those questions answersed.
  9. Oct 20, 2006 #8

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    Not to defend Radin as I know nothing about this beyond what is posted:

    Perceived beauty - aesthetic appeal - can be a measure of symmetry. This is largely what we "measure" when we judge people's looks. Also, the results are mostly reproducible in that there is a clear preference for who we consider to be beautiful.
  10. Oct 24, 2006 #9


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    Important point: how did they calculate the p value?

    For example, assume a single picture was taken of each sample and the p value was calculated assuming judge choices were independent. Then, chances are, one picture actually will be 'prettier', and the judges choices would reflect this. So their choices would tend to be similar, and the analysis would result in an artificially low p value.

    In other words, the judges should be deciding which pictures are better than others, and then you calculate the p-values based on the picture ratings. The number of judges should not affect that calculation in any significant way.
  11. Oct 25, 2006 #10
    I'm wondering about other factors that might contribute to the aesthetic appeal of frozen water. Does shielding it from the earth's magnetic field automatically produce a better looking freeze? Does speed of freezing make a difference? Is one sample near a highway or surface street where it was subjected to irregular vibrations during freezing? In general, just what known factors contribute to the shape of water crystals? Has this been studied?
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