I just realized something somewhat mind-boggling, and felt an urge to share it with someone before that "high" you get from philosophical revelations goes away. I take it for granted that mathematics is the most fundamental reality, and everything else emerges from mathematics, and mathematics lies at the center of everything. Physics is a high-level description for mathematics, and then physics gives rise to biology (like binary code gives rise to assembly code, which in turn gives rise to high level programming languages like C++), and then biology gives rise to intelligence and society. Aside from bodily functions and reproduction, the main goal of human beings seems to be to understand the world around us, (or else there would be no PF, right?) and since everything is based on math, the only way to truly undestand the universe is though math, whether directly or indirectly. Even something like philosophy or linguistics is, at the most basic level, mathematical. So what we get is: Mathematics -> Physics -> Biology -> Intelligece trying to understand math. If we get rid of the intermediate leves, we end up with the idea that Math gives rise to mankind in order to understand math itself. We are just "tools" the unverse uses to gain knowledge of itself, and that is the reason for our existance. sorry about the choppiness of the post. what do you guys think?