# Max min trig functions

Somefantastik
x in (0,pi];

f(x) = sin(x)-x2;

f'(x) = cos(x) - 2x;

f'(x) = 0 ==> cos(x) - 2x = 0;

since |cos(x)| ≤ 1,

cos(x) - 2x ≤ 1 - 2x;

Now 1-2x = 0 <==> x = 1/2;

f'(1/4) = cos(1/4) - 2*(1/4) > 0 and f'(3/4) = cos(3/4) - 2*(3/4) < 0;

==> x = 1/2 is maximum and f'(x) ≤ 1/2;

Is my logic correct?

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Homework Helper
x in (0,pi];

f(x) = sin(x)-x2;

f'(x) = cos(x) - 2x;

f'(x) = 0 ==> cos(x) - 2x = 0;

since |cos(x)| ≤ 1,

cos(x) - 2x ≤ 1 - 2x;

Now 1-2x = 0 <==> x = 1/2;
The fact that 1- 2x= 0 does NOT mean cos(x)- 2x= 0 since cos(x)- 2x< 1- 2x, if 1- 2x= 0 then cos(x)- 2x< 0. In fact, with x= 1/2, cos(1/2)- 2(1/2)= -1.22. cos(x)- 2x= 0 when cos(x)= 2x which happens when x is approximately .45.

f'(1/4) = cos(1/4) - 2*(1/4) > 0 and f'(3/4) = cos(3/4) - 2*(3/4) < 0;

==> x = 1/2 is maximum and f'(x) ≤ 1/2;

Is my logic correct?
No, it is not. saying that cos(x)- 2x< 1- 2x= 0 does not mean cos(x)- 2x= 0.

Somefantastik
I'm trying to find the max and min of this function. Can someone give me some advice?

Mentor
You'll have to do this by numerical approximation, since the equation is not solvable by analytic means.

cos (x) - 2x = 0 <==> x = .5 cos(x)

Evaluate .5*cos(x) at that value to get your next x value.
Repeat step 2.
When the input value and output value are "close enough" that's your approximate solution.

Somefantastik
How about just getting a bound on this function ( f'(x) ) on (0,pi]; can I do that without finding the max and min?

f'(0) = 1 and f'(pi) = -1 - 2*pi

is my guess, but I am unsure of any bigger fluctuations on that interval.

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Studiot
How about just getting a bound on this function ( f'(x) ) on (0,pi]; can I do that without finding the max and min?

Well let's look at the function shall we?

sinx is always less than 1.
the max slope of sinx occurs at zero and equals 1; thereafter it is always below the line y=x.
at small values

$$\sin x\quad \simeq x$$

since $$x \le {(x)^2}$$

and $$- {(x)^2}$$ decreases monotonically from 0 to $$- {(\pi )^2} \simeq 10$$

The function is negative once $$x \le {(x)^2}$$ is greaer than 1.

Can you sketch it?

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