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McCain Watch

  1. Jun 13, 2008 #1

    Gokul43201

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    With the heated Democratic Primary, John McCain escaped the kind of media scrutiny that was given to Obama and Clinton. What did the mainstream media miss or pay little attention to?
     
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  3. Jun 13, 2008 #2
    McCain is way behind in superdelegates.
     
  4. Jun 13, 2008 #3
    Ya but he's way ahead on age :)
     
  5. Jun 13, 2008 #4
    The mainstream media failed to miss that one.
     
  6. Jun 13, 2008 #5

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    The McCain campaign and supporters have been trying to make the case that McCain is radically different from Bush. But they rarely back this up with anything substantive, and rarely get taken to task for the lack of substance.

    Here's a summary of an analysis performed by Congressional Quarterly (requires subscription) where "CQ tries to determine what the president personally, as distinct from other administration officials, does and does not want in the way of legislative action. This is done by analyzing his messages to Congress, news conference remarks and other public statements and documents. "

    This is how often McCain voted for/against issues that Bush has supported:

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    [b]Year Support Oppose[/b]
    2008*   100%     0%
    2007**  95%      5%
    2006    89%     11%
    2005    77%     23%
    2004    92%      8%
    2003    91%      9%
    2002    90%     10%
    2001    91%      9%
     
    In 2005, McCain most "maverick" year (where he agreed with the President only 77% of the time) in recent times, he describe himself thusly, on Meet the Press:
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8245636/

    * Includes votes cast until May 15
    ** Notable to keep in mind that during this period, McCain has been the most absent senator in the Senate, missing more votes than "Sen. Tim Johnson of South Dakota, who suffered a brain hemorrhage in December 2006 and was unable to return to the Senate until fall of last year."

    http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/23/939359.aspx
     
  7. Jun 13, 2008 #6

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    Actually, while there have been numerous mentions of his age, there has been little or no substantive discussion of how his age ought to be a factor in determining his suitability for the position of President.
     
  8. Jun 13, 2008 #7
    McCain is still going to have to explain this:


    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/22/u...1208869803-DpfhM14ANcwDaZs2Q/IQfQ&oref=slogin
     
  9. Jun 13, 2008 #8

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    This has got to be a new PF low. An entire thread devoted to trolling for negative stories about McCain...
     
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  10. Jun 13, 2008 #9

    Gokul43201

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    The OP says nothing about negative stories. Are you suggesting that there are no positive stories about McCain, or is this just a new PF low in reading comprehension?
     
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  11. Jun 13, 2008 #10

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    Take it easy, guys. Gokul, the OP does imply looking for negative issues. It says there was a lack of scrutiny, what did we miss.

    This thread does seem appropriate for P&WA, IMO. But there's no need to start any personal bickering. Thread's being watched, obviously.
     
  12. Jun 13, 2008 #11

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    I didn't realize that scrutiny carried a necessarily negative connotation. There is absolutely no requirement that we only talk about negative issues. All issues of relevance to a Presidential bid, whether positive, negative or neither, may be raised here and discussed so long as they were mostly glossed over or ignored by the media. People should feel free to talk about good things that came out of the McCain campaign that were mostly omitted by the media because the spotlight was on the show put up by the Dems.
     
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  13. Jun 13, 2008 #12

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    McCain kept a low profile, so there wasn't much for them to see or miss. Now that he's talking again, they'll have the opportunity to pick on him.

    The biggest change from two weeks ago isn't that McCain is no longer a mute, it is that now the candidates can attack each other across party lines, which makes some of the issues different. Ie, Hillary couldn't exactly attack Obama for being too liberal, but McCain can. Huckabee wouldn't have attacked McCain for cozying up to lobbyists, but Obama is.
     
  14. Jun 13, 2008 #13

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    Cmon, Gokul, no one buys that - but berkeman's right, that alone doesn't make this a bad thread, it just makes the potential for it to get out of hand.
     
  15. Jun 13, 2008 #14

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    I agree, McCain could cruise under the radar because Clinton and Obama were busy going at each other, and of course, the media exploited that.

    Now McCain and Obama are out in front, and when they go at each other, the media will exploit that. They are both career politicians now, although McCains has 14+ years more experience, overall, and 20+ more years experience at the federal level.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama

    Obama was sworn in as a US senator on January 4, 2005, after being elected in Nov 2004.
     
  16. Jun 13, 2008 #15

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    But he also ran a very decent Primary compared to say, Romney. But again, there wasn't much debate about the Republican Primary because of the attention on the other side.

    But the thread is not really about what happens now. It is more about what happened during the Primary season that was missed. McCain had to run a particularly difficult Primary because he was at the same time trying to be the Conservative, the Maverick, the Hawk, the Critic of the Iraq War planning and the one to bring real change to Washington.
     
  17. Jun 13, 2008 #16

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    Russ, I think the thread is perfectly legitimate to make, and if it does get out of hand, I'm sure it will meet the end it deserves.
     
  18. Jun 14, 2008 #17

    Gokul43201

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    Please let's keep this about real issues concerning McCain's campaign.
     
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    http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08097/870634-176.stm
     
  20. Jun 14, 2008 #19

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    Gokul is correct, this thread will be about what McCain is proposedin his primary campaign. Rumours, mud slinging, etc... will not be tolerated.
     
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  21. Jun 14, 2008 #20
    Going by the "never attribute to malice what can be attributed to ignorance" (was it ignorance?), his age might be a bigger issue than anybody thought.

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c
     
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